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Current requests[edit]
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- Category:Time in Antarctica to Category:Time by continent – C2F. Mason (talk) 02:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Gamer advocacy groups to Category:Video game culture – C2F. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cinephilia to Category:Film and video fandom – C2F. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Military aviators by country to Category:Military aviators by nationality – C2C: parents are Aviators by nationality and Military personnel by nationality Mason (talk) 00:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Roman mathematics to Category:Ancient Roman mathematics – C2C: parent is Ancient Roman science Mason (talk) 22:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:European society by former country to Category:Society of Europe by former country – C2C: parent is Society of Europe by country Mason (talk) 22:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Early Modern Catalonia to Category:Early modern history of Catalonia – C2C: per Category:Early modern history of Spain. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of universities and colleges in the United States by state to Category:Lists of universities and colleges in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Universities and colleges in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 20:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People by university or college in the United States by state to Category:People by university or college in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parents are American people by state or territory (−) (±)Universities and colleges in the United States by state or territory (−) (±) Mason (talk) 20:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Unidentified murder victims in the United States by state to Category:Unidentified murder victims in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Category:Unidentified decedents in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:AI companies to Category:Artificial intelligence companies – C2C: Expand abbreviation –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Atom (Web standard) to Category:Atom (web standard) - C2A. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Underground railroad in Ohio to Category:Underground Railroad in Ohio – C2A. User:Namiba 17:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colombian Ministers of Justice to Category:Ministers of justice and law of Colombia – C2D: List of ministers of justice and law of Colombia. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers for Law of Singapore to Category:Ministers for law of Singapore – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French Ministers of Budget to Category:Budget ministers of France – C2D: List of budget ministers of France. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French Ministers of Civil Service to Category:Civil service ministers of France – C2D: List of civil service ministers of France. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of the Interior of Turkey to Category:Ministers of the interior of Turkey – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Interior of Thailand to Category:Ministers of interior of Thailand – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Internal Affairs of Argentina to Category:Ministers of internal affairs of Argentina – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Internal Affairs of India to Category:Ministers of internal affairs of India – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Energy of Lithuania to Category:Ministers of energy of Lithuania – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Energy of Ukraine to Category:Ministers of energy of Ukraine – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Economic Affairs of the Netherlands to Category:Ministers of economic affairs of the Netherlands – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Information of France to Category:Ministers of information of France – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French Naval Ministers to Category:Naval ministers of France – C2D: List of naval ministers of France. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French Ministers of Justice to Category:Ministers of justice of France – C2D: List of ministers of justice of France. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers for Energy of Luxembourg to Category:Ministers for energy of Luxembourg – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Electricity and Energy ministers of Egypt to Category:Electricity and energy ministers of Egypt – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Mines and Energy of Colombia to Category:Ministers of mines and energy of Colombia – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Energy of Israel to Category:Ministers of energy of Israel – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Livestock, Agriculture, and Fisheries of Uruguay to Category:Ministers of livestock, agriculture, and fisheries of Uruguay – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Agriculture of South Korea to Category:Ministers of agriculture of South Korea – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyprus Ministers of Agriculture, Natural Resources and the Environment to Category:Ministers of agriculture, natural resources and the environment of Cyprus – C2C: Per parent at Category:Agriculture ministers by country. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyprus Ministers of Communications and Works to Category:Ministers of communications and works of Cyprus – C2D: List of ministers of communications and works of Cyprus. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:20, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyprus Ministers of Education and Culture to Category:Ministers of education and culture of Cyprus – C2D: List of ministers of education and culture of Cyprus, Hey man im josh (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyprus Ministers of Energy, Commerce, Industry and Tourism to Category:Ministers of energy, commerce, industry and tourism of Cyprus – C2C: With parent Category:Energy ministers. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyprus Ministers of Justice and Public Order to Category:Ministers of justice and public order of Cyprus – C2C: With parent Category:Justice ministers by country. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyprus Ministers of Labour and Social Insurance to Category:Ministers of labour and social insurance of Cyprus – C2D: List of ministers of labour and social insurance of Cyprus. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyprus Ministers of the Interior to Category:Ministers of interior of Cyprus – C2D: List of ministers of interior of Cyprus. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Defence ministers of Cyprus to Category:Ministers of defence of Cyprus – C2D: List of ministers of defence of Cyprus. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyprus Ministers of Foreign Affairs to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Cyprus – C2D: List of ministers of foreign affairs of Cyprus. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Finance ministers of Cape Verde to Category:Ministers of finance of Cape Verde – C2D: List of ministers of finance of Cape Verde. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Italian nobility to Category:Nobility of Italy – C2D: Nobility of Italy. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rebus (TV series) episodes to Category:Rebus (2000 TV series) episodes – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 15:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rebus (TV series) to Category:Rebus (2000 TV series) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 15:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:By-elections to the Parliament of the United Kingdom in Belfast (pre partition) to Category:By-elections to the Parliament of the United Kingdom in Belfast (pre-partition) – C2A: missing hyphen needed Santiago Claudio (talk) 14:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Safavid scholars to Category:Scholars from Safavid Iran – C2C: parent is Writers from Safavid Iran Mason (talk) 13:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Santa Clara University Centers to Category:Santa Clara University centers – C2B. Mason (talk) 13:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Video gamers to Category:Video game players – C2C: To match Category:Game players, which is not called "gamers". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Main article's title is Gamer. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Istanbul Medipol University to Category:Istanbul Medipol University
- Category:University Džemal Bijedić of Mostar to Category:University Džemal Bijedić of Mostar
- Empty and delete both per C2F, @Smasongarrison: (originally nominated as move but obviously can not be moved like this).--Ymblanter (talk) 05:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Law enforcement in Eswatini to Category:Law enforcement in Africa – C2F. Mason (talk) 05:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Coke Studio (Indian series) to Category:Coke Studio (Indian TV program) – C2D. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Internet Relay Chat to Category:IRC - C2D per Talk:IRC#Requested move 29 January 2024 * Pppery * it has begun... 00:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Internet Relay Chat bots to Category:IRC bots
- Category:Internet Relay Chat clients to Category:IRC clients
- Category:Free Internet Relay Chat clients to Category:Free IRC clients
- Category:Classic Mac OS Internet Relay Chat clients to Category:Classic Mac OS IRC clients
- Category:macOS Internet Relay Chat clients to Category:macOS IRC clients
- Category:Unix Internet Relay Chat clients to Category:Unix IRC clients
- Category:Windows Internet Relay Chat clients to Category:Windows IRC clients
- Category:Internet Relay Chat networks to Category:IRC networks
- Category:Protocols related to Internet Relay Chat to Category:Protocols related to IRC
- Category:Internet Relay Chat stubs to Category:IRC stubs
- NO BOTS Category:Wikipedians who use Internet Relay Chat to Category:Wikipedians who use IRC
- Category:Internet Relay Chat templates to Category:IRC templates
- Category:Internet Relay Chat external link templates to Category:IRC external link templates
- Category:United Kingdom listed building templates to Category:United Kingdom listed building navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:United Kingdom navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aberdeen F.C. templates to Category:Aberdeen F.C. navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes (mostly {{navbox}} and direct invocations of Module:Navbox, but also a {{Football manager history}} and a {{football squad}}). Rename for consistency with Category:Scotland navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 21:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Albums produced by DJ Mustard to Category:Albums produced by Mustard (record producer) – C2D: Per Mustard (record producer), who changed his name at least 4 years ago. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:The Bear episodes to Category:The Bear (TV series) episodes – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League to Category:FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League – C2D. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 13:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FIVB Volleyball Women's Nations League to Category:FIVB Women's Volleyball Nations League – C2D. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 13:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennessee shopping mall templates to Category:Tennessee shopping mall navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Tennessee navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 12:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Texas shopping mall templates to Category:Texas shopping mall navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of six navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Texas navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wisconsin shopping mall templates to Category:Wisconsin shopping mall navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of three navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Wisconsin navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Virginia shopping mall templates to Category:Virginia shopping mall navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of five navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Virginia navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 12:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American military personnel by state to Category:American military personnel by state or territory – C2C: parent is American people by occupation and state or territory Mason (talk) 04:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Health in the United States by state to Category:Health in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Categories by state or territory of the United States Mason (talk) 03:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Roman generals killed in action to Category:Ancient Roman generals killed in action – C2C: parents Ancient Roman generals (−) (±)Ancient Romans killed in action Mason (talk) 03:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union teams by country and city to Category:Rugby union teams by country and populated place – C2C: parent is Sports organizations by populated place Mason (talk) 02:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medical and health organizations based in the United States by state to Category:Medical and health organizations based in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Organizations based in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 02:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Finnish actors by populated place to Category:Actors by populated place in Finland – C2C within Category:Actors by country and populated place. This partial set addresses inconsistencies where either the nominated category or its parents by nationality/country already use "populated place" rather than "city" – Fayenatic London 22:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French actors by populated place to Category:Actors by populated place in France
- Category:French actresses by populated place to Category:Actresses by populated place in France
- Category:French male actors by populated place to Category:Male actors by populated place in France
- Category:Male actors by city or town in China to Category:Male actors by populated place in China
- Category:Male actors by city or town in Wales to Category:Actors by populated place in Wales
- Category:Filipino male actors by populated place to Category:Male actors by populated place in the Philippines
- Category:Brazilian actresses by populated place to Category:Actresses by populated place in Brazil
- Category:Canadian actresses by populated place to Category:Actresses by populated place in Canada
- Category:Chinese actresses by populated place to Category:Actresses by populated place in China
- Category:Indian actresses by populated place to Category:Actresses by populated place in India
- Category:Filipino actresses by populated place to Category:Actresses by populated place in the Philippines
- Category:British actresses by populated place to Category:Actresses by populated place in the United Kingdom
- Category:American actresses by populated place to Category:Actresses by populated place in the United States
- Category:Monarchy in Germany to Category:Monarchy of Germany – C2D: Monarchy of Germany. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this one, the article has a far narrower scope than the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: C2C would still apply in this case. It's been pretty common for categories to be renamed from "X in country" to "X of country". Hey man im josh (talk) 16:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: renaming implies narrowing the scope, narrowing the scope implies purging, and all of that is a too big change to be speedied. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: I suppose we view the renaming as different in this case, as I don't view it as narrowing the scope. To be honest, I don't particularly care enough to go to CFD over this, so I'm fine removing the tags and letting it be, even if I disagree. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: renaming implies narrowing the scope, narrowing the scope implies purging, and all of that is a too big change to be speedied. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: C2C would still apply in this case. It's been pretty common for categories to be renamed from "X in country" to "X of country". Hey man im josh (talk) 16:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this one, the article has a far narrower scope than the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Monarchy in Italy to Category:Monarchy of Italy – C2D: Monarchy of Italy. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this one, the article has a far narrower scope than the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
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On hold pending other discussion[edit]
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Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles involving East Frisia – C2C: Parent Category:History of East Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- They all involved the County of East Frisia or its predecessors: Saxon feud, Appeal War, Battle of Detern (predecessors Brokmerland and Auricherland), Battle of Norditi (predecessor Norderland; actually involving the Bishop of Bremen-Hamburg, so perhaps it should be Purged). All of these (except Norditi) aren't really about the East Frisians as a people without a state; these are noble/dynastic conflicts between members of reigning families such as Tom Brok, Cirksena and so on.
- On the other hand, if this isn't about a state, then we should Purge parent Category:Wars involving Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 17:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the Appeal War and the Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- True. But I think saying the "East Frisians" as a "people" were involved in these battles is misleading. We could resolve this in several ways, such as populating the category, but I couldn't really find much. Emden Revolution, Battle of Jemmingen (didn't involve East Frisia, just took place in its territory), and Stedinger Crusade (but it is arbitrary to consider the Stedingers "Frisians"; it is not commonly counted amongst East Frisia today or in the past.
- There are other options, but they require us to translate first, e.g. de:Geldrische Fehde (Ostfriesland), de:Schlacht von Jemgum (1533) and de:Schlacht auf den Wilden Äckern, or their nlwiki equivalents (probably easier for you and me). Perhaps it is better to Rename to something like Category:Military history of East Frisia? Then again, East Frisia is not an administrative region nowadays, so we hit the "Lorraine" problem. At any rate, I guess we'll have to move to full to solve this, it's not as simple as I thought. NLeeuw (talk) 09:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the Appeal War and the Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 29#Category:Battles involving the East Frisians. NLeeuw (talk) 10:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt series to Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt – C2F: No need for a separate games category QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66: better nominate them at full CfD then. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players in the United States by populated place to Category:Baseball players from the United States by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Taiwan to Category:Baseball players from Taiwan by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in South Korea to Category:Baseball players from South Korea by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Puerto Rico to Category:Baseball players from Puerto Rico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Canada to Category:Baseball players from Canada by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Australia to Category:Baseball players from Australia by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Mexico to Category:Baseball players from Mexico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
- U.S.: Category:Baseball players from New York City
- Taiwan: Category:Baseball players from Taipei
- South Korea: Category:Baseball players from Seoul
- Puerto Rico: Category:Baseball players from San Juan, Puerto Rico
- Canada: Category:Baseball players from Toronto
- Australia: Category:Baseball players from Melbourne
- Mexico: Category:Baseball players from Mexico City
- I hope this clears up any confusion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, in which case they all should change. I will wait for the opinion of @Smasongarrison though before I go through with it since split should be at the end. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, should I take this to full Cfd or does the previous Cfd on "by populated place" apply here? Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's in line with others changes to actors etc. But a full cfd would allow us to do them all at once. 🤷 Mason (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: the outcome of a previous CfD isn't necessarily a speedy criterion. It only counts if a clear majority of categories were tackled in that CfD. Besides, considering the amount of discussion we already had here, I would take this to full CfD anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, thank you. Will do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- And I realize the form should actually be "Fooian sportspeople by populated place" so I can adjust accordingly there too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
- So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, no idea who did moved it to "full disciussion" - I had moved it to "pending other discussions" while the parent categories were changed from "City or town" to "populated place". Then I was going to bring this to full. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at Category:American sportspeople by sport and populated place, most of these categories are titled "Sportsplayers by populated place in country" not "Sportsplayers in/from county by populated place". Liz Read! Talk! 17:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions[edit]
June 5[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Welsh-speaking writers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Welsh-speaking writers to Category:Welsh-language writers
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. I didn't speedy this because I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. Mason (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Geography by former colony[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Geography by former colony to Category:Geography by former country
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. It's not necessary to distinguish this level of granularity of what kind of former entity it is (colony versus former country) Mason (talk) 00:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Imperial Roman admirals[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Imperial Roman admirals to Category:Ancient Roman admirals
- Propose merging Category:Imperial Roman generals to Category:Ancient Roman generals
- Propose merging Category:Imperial Roman soldiers to Category:Ancient Roman soldiers
- Propose deleting Category:Imperial Roman military personnel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Merge/Purge (the bzyatine category). There's no need to create this parent category of Imperial Roman Foo. It just serves to isolate Byzantine and Ancient Roman child categories from other former nations. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_27#Category:Romans_who_received_the_grass_crown for a recent conversation about naming of Roman categories. Mason (talk) 00:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not strongly against this. Just as Category:Roman consuls is split into Category:Imperial Roman consuls and Category:Roman Republican consuls, so are the categories for military figures. If those categories need to be merged, the categories for consuls should be merged as well. If you feel the need to merge the consul categories as well, I won't argue with you any further. Kirschtaria (talk) 02:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
June 4[edit]
Sportspeople by populated place and sport[edit]
- Propose renaming
- Category:Baseball players in the United States by populated place
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Taiwan
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in South Korea
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Puerto Rico
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Canada
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Australia
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Mexico
- Category:Baseball players from the Dominican Republic by populated place
- Category:Baseball players from Venezuela by populated place
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- Nominator's rationale: So we have two options here: A: rename to "Category:Baseball players from Foo by populated place"; or B: "Category:Fooian baseball players by populated place". Either way, the split should be at the end and should be "populated place" per recent Cfds. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging the following from speedy discussion: @Armbrust, @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, @Liz. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Alder carrs[edit]
- Convert Category:Alder carrs to article Alder carr
- Nominator's rationale: I don't really know what to do with this category. I think it's for a very specific kind of wetland that only applies to a specific kind of tree. This category feels like a non-defining intersection between kind of tree and kind of landform, but I'm not an expert. Mason (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Iran articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Czech Republic articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:South Sudan articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Italy articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:France articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Slovakia articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Channel Islands articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Central Asia articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Serbia articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Montenegro articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Southeast Asia articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. @Gonnym, I think you should combine all these "deprecated tags" categories under one banner. They are a bit spread over the page and it would also make deciding easier. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Post-independence history of Bengal[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Post-independence history of Bengal to Category:Late modern Bengal
- Nominator's rationale: merge, both this category and its parent contain only a few subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Catholicism articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template. Gonnym (talk) 21:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:European Microstates articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by a template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Africa articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject Africa. Gonnym (talk) 21:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fantasy articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject Fantasy. Gonnym (talk) 21:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Vatican City articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject Vatican City or found in any template code. Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:United States articles with deprecated tags[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject United States or found in any template code. Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of Lithuania (1569–1795)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories cover nearly the same period. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Early modern history of Bengal[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Early modern history of Bengal to Category:History of Bengal
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Crime action films[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Hybrid genre term that is not in common usage (unlike lets say, action comedy or even action thriller). Searching for it on google, gives one imdb list, then several lists for one genre or the other. Per the action film article, "Action films often interface with other genres. Yvonne Tasker wrote that films are often labelled action thrillers, action-fantasy and action-adventure films with different nuances." Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I'd include the sub-categories within this general category again, but I suppose that is implied in this process. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrzejbanas: it is not implied in this process, i.e. the bot that processes deletions only does its job for categories that are properly listed and for category pages that are properly tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- What's the best approach with this to have them all tagged @Marcocapelle? Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrzejbanas: after you listed all categories here and after you tagged one subcategory (including section title) you can ask for help at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks to have the tag copied to the other subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- What's the best approach with this to have them all tagged @Marcocapelle? Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrzejbanas: it is not implied in this process, i.e. the bot that processes deletions only does its job for categories that are properly listed and for category pages that are properly tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I'd include the sub-categories within this general category again, but I suppose that is implied in this process. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Prostitution in the State of Palestine[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I propose to upmerge, now there is only one article and I see no potensial for the growth. Aldij (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per c2f. And the merge target works for me because the sole page is already in some State of Palestine categories. Mason (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: These battles concern a specific subgroup of Qarmatians, namely those of the Qarmatian 'republic' of Bahrayn under the al-Jannabi family. This was the main Qarmatian group, but by no means the only one, and at any rate it should be distinguished. Other "Qarmatian" battles, like the Battle of Hama (even though the Qarmatian label is debatable here), are not included. Constantine ✍ 07:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Minor question: why Bahrayn instead of Bahrain? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Firelei Báez[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only two non-free files and not even the main article Firelei Báez. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Fwiw I have added the main article to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as creator, main article + files seems useful enough for a cat. I don't feel too strongly about it but would like to see that for other people who have both articles and media here. – SJ + 01:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Indian music series[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Indian music series to Category:Indian music television series
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, all articles are already in the tree of Category:Indian music television series. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Coke Studio (franchise)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Coke Studio (franchise) to Category:Coke Studio
- Nominator's rationale: Probably unnecessary disambiguation. This is missing a parent article about the franchise as a whole, or the original Brazilian series. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:IK Sirius Fotboll seasons[edit]
- Propose merging Category:IK Sirius Fotboll seasons to Category:IK Sirius Fotboll
- Nominator's rationale: Single-article uncategorized category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as per nom Josey Wales Parley 14:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note Category:Åtvidabergs FF seasons, Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll (women) seasons and Category:Örebro SK seasons are also 1-article categories. Gjs238 (talk) 15:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Galician animated films[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Galician animated films to Category:Galician-language animated films
- Nominator's rationale: In accordance with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" are not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are two different categories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_animated_films). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split between Category:Galician-language films and Category:Spanish-language films, dependent on the actual language of the film. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Higher Walton F.C. players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized, single-article category for a defunct football club without a topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per LaundryPizza03 and Marcocapelle. Gjs238 (talk) 15:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:PAW Patrol (franchise)[edit]
- Propose merging Category:PAW Patrol (franchise) to Category:PAW Patrol
- Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The TV series (currently at Category:PAW Patrol), and the franchise are not the same thing. See also Talk:PAW_Patrol#Split_and_move_proposal. Gonnym (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Members of the League of Women Voters[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Members of the League of Women Voters to Category:American suffragists
- Nominator's rationale: Simple membership in the League of Women Voters is non-defining. User:Namiba 15:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Many siblings contain (just) activists, which is much more defining than membership. We might rename and purge this one as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on renaming and purging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
June 3[edit]
Category:American non-binary actors by media[edit]
- Propose merging Category:American non-binary film actors to Category:American non-binary actors
- Propose merging Category:American non-binary stage actors to Category:American non-binary actors
- Propose merging Category:American non-binary television actors to Category:American non-binary actors
- Nominator's rationale: American nonbinary actors has just over a 100 articles in it. There's no reason to subdivide it by media. Most of these actors are going to be in multiple of the categories anyway. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 22:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support A comparison of the three categories finds a heavy overlap in the current contents, with Carl Clemons-Hopkins being in all three. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per the nominator's rationale. The total number of American enby actors in the category (adding the subcategories) is about a hundred only. Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:This TV[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Network is now defunct Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep @Mvcg66b3r: Do you have a reliable source for this? I don't think the company being defunct justifies the deletion of the topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:This TV affiliates[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Network is now defunct Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if Mvcg66b3r can provide reliable sources for this claim. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving ancient peoples[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Battles involving ancient peoples to Category:Battles of antiquity
- Nominator's rationale: merge, no clear distinction versus its parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Purge grandparent I think all children of Category:Battles involving ancient peoples should be Purged out of grandparent Category:Battles of antiquity, as they are already in Category:Battles involving ancient peoples. That category exists as part of the Category:Battles involving peoples tree, and to prevent overpopulation in Category:Battles of antiquity. The latter still needs to happen; in that sense nom has a good point. NLeeuw (talk) 23:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Internet Relay Chat daemons[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Internet Relay Chat daemons to Category:Internet Relay Chat
- Nominator's rationale: Not enough content to warrant this category. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. The target is currently nominated for speedy renaming to Category:IRC. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Internet Relay Chat services[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Consists only of IRC services, which is already appropriately categorized, and redirects to it. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Internet Relay Chat bouncers, gateways and proxies[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: If you have to say "Xs, Ys, and Zs" in the category name and despite that you can only find three members then they're clearly too loosely-affiliated to support a category. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge These are three completely different concepts. I don't know what a bouncer is, but the term is included in several redirects to BNC (software). A gateway connects two separate networks. A proxy serves as an intermediary between two servers in order to protect the privacy and security of one end. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wesley L. McDonald Distinguished Statesman and Stateswoman of Aviation Award[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Not even sure if this meets the criteria for a defining characteristic. Gjs238 (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:List of acts of the 54th New Zealand Parliament[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Parliament of New Zealand not subcategorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. There was one more article in the category, but that was not a list so I purged it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Võ Văn Thưởng[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Is this category necessary? None of the other Category:Presidents of Vietnam have eponymous categories. Gjs238 (talk) 16:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gautam Buddha Nagar[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Gautam Buddha Nagar to Category:Gautam Buddh Nagar district
- Nominator's rationale: Newly created uncategorized category seems redundant with the suggested target. Gjs238 (talk) 15:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Noida, deeper down in the tree of Category:Gautam Buddh Nagar district. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Galician films[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Galician films to Category:Galician-language films
- Nominator's rationale: Appears to be redundant? Gjs238 (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" is not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are several different categories (Category:Irish films by language). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, articles are already in Category:Galician-language films if applicable, but it is not always applicable. Some of these films are Spanish-speaking. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Circassia[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Circassia to Category:Circassians
- Nominator's rationale: This newly created uncategorized category seems redundant with Category:Circassians. Gjs238 (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Circassian history. We do not have that category yet and it nicely fits the current content of this category. If not renamed, then merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Indigenous peoples in Louisiana[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Indigenous peoples in the United States doesn't subcategorize by state. Gjs238 (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete A large share of these span multiple states. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Events at the Amway Center[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I don't believe Wikipedia categorizes events by venue? Gjs238 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ninety-Nines[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Ninety-Nines to Category:Members of The Ninety-Nines
- Nominator's rationale: Newly created, uncategorized category contains people articles, I assume all members of "The Ninety-Nines." Gjs238 (talk) 14:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Unclear scope, possible WP:OCASSOC. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lounge[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Ambiguous category as the word Lounge is quite a broad term. Gjs238 (talk) 14:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or merge, to Category:Rooms if the latter. In either case it is a matter of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Rooms per WP:SHAREDNAME. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Roman generals[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Roman generals to Category:Generals by former country
- Propose renaming Category:Roman generals by century to Category:Generals by century
- Nominator's rationale: Uphelpful bundling of Roman people. This category contains Ancient Romans and Byzantine people. Mason (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/rename, this is redundant as we already have Category:Ancient Roman generals by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Byzantine people are Romans, just not ancient ones.★Trekker (talk) 08:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Byzantine Empire is generally considered to be an empire in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StarTrekker, how is your opposition relevant to the nomination? We don't have any other categories that isolate Byzantine/Ancient Romans like this. There was a cfd (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_27#Category:Romans_who_received_the_grass_crown) that renamed Roman categories to Ancient Roman categories already to remove this kind of ambiguity. Mason (talk) 00:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Byzantine Empire is generally considered to be an empire in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of Great Britain[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- One big problem with keeping the original intended scope is: what is Category:Kingdom of Great Britain for if not the history of the Kingdom of Great Britain? It's not as if that entity still exists. Ham II (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary. The period of the Kingdom of Great Britain - from 1707 to 1800, is not really used by historians or the public. If kept it should be more clearly named to avoid confusion with the (main) geographical meaning of Great Britain, which has clearly been taken by some adders as the intended meaning. In fact such a category might make more sense, at the top of trees with UK, English, Scottish & Welsh sub-cats. Johnbod (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm leaning towards Option A, in order to make the scope fully about the geographical area Great Britain and not the former sovereign state the Kingdom of Great Britain. Anything about the history of the latter – Category:Politics of the Kingdom of Great Britain, probably Category:Colonial United States (British), etc. – should be at Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, currently a parent category to this one. A new header stating this might be necessary, because the distinction isn't obvious (which seems to have led to the current situation). Ham II (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The new header I'm proposing could be based on the existing one at Category:Great Britain. Ham II (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Activists for Palestinian solidarity[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This is a random mix of people who aren't activists. Purge the category and leave in actual activists. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also I'm not too sure about it but maybe rename to "Pro-Palestinian activists". Any other suggestion would be helpful; this one seems rather vague. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait for some consensus here before I proceed with the subcategories. Honestly, going through them, I don't think any of these people in any of these categories were checked to see if they actually were activists for Palestinian solidarity, particularly given a number of these aren't pro-Palestinian but rather anti-Israeli. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would prefer keeping this category, I should add, since there is a big Palestinian movement and activists who are pro-Palestinian. I just think we should be careful who to put in. Some of these "pro-Palestinian" people aren't pro-Palestinian at all. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think renaming it to "Advocates for Palestinian Solidarity" would be best. NesserWiki (talk) 02:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support doing something, but mixed on the alternative rename. I think that the "Pro-Palestinian activists" are indeed a more specific subgroup that are definitely nested within Anti-racist activists. Perhaps splitting or nesting/reorganizing to acknowledge that there are also activists for Palestinian civil rights etc. idk 🤷 It's really complicated.Mason (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, it is quite complicated, you're right. I'm not too sure about myself but, IMO and as you have said yourself, "Pro-Palestinian" is less vague and more definable than "Activists for Palestinian solidarity". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. (To be clear, I'm not opposed to the rename if that's were consensus goes. ) I've started cleaning up the ethnic/religious intersections with the group in the hope that I'll have some inspiration. Mason (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, I only just noticed this and wanted to say thank you! Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. (To be clear, I'm not opposed to the rename if that's were consensus goes. ) I've started cleaning up the ethnic/religious intersections with the group in the hope that I'll have some inspiration. Mason (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, it is quite complicated, you're right. I'm not too sure about myself but, IMO and as you have said yourself, "Pro-Palestinian" is less vague and more definable than "Activists for Palestinian solidarity". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge: a removal of articles about people who weren't activists is a no-brainer. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No clear consensus on rename.
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Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub[edit]
- Propose deleting Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:North American cricket ground stubs to ???
- Nominator's rationale: Used on only 3 articles. Merge the category to Category:North American sports venue stubs. Follow-up CfD to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_26#Category:North_American_sports_venue_stubs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete template and merge category but to Category:Cricket ground stubs; do not also merge to the original North American target, as pages should all be within national sub-cats of that one. Implement by replacing stub link with {{Cricket-ground-stub}}. – Fayenatic London 09:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:ICC Men's T20 World Cup related lists to Category:ICC Men's T20 World Cup lists
- Nominator's rationale: There are just T20WC lists; no need for the term "related". Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of the T20 World Cup[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Same topic covered by both categories Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Disinformation operations[edit]
- Propose manually merging Category:Disinformation operations to Category:Disinformation
- Nominator's rationale: this is follow-up on this previous discussion. After purging it is more clearly about disinformation, but does not clearly distinguish itself from its parent Category:Disinformation. Hence manually merge (only insofar appropriate). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Coddlebean, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Hmains: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- do not agree 'Disinformation' is a about a fact: false and misleading information. 'Disinformation operations' is about a process, something that people are organized to carry out, generally by a political entity of some kind. Very different articles involved, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kurdish people by occupation and century[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:21st-century Kurdish women politicians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now: Isolated category at a currently narrow intersection of ethnicity, gender, occupation and century. Mason (talk) 02:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but the merge to Category:21st-century women politicians should be done manually because many articles are already in a subcategory thereof (e.g. Iraqi, Turkish). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of films by date[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Lists of films by date to Category:Lists of films
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't agree that it is redundant, it helps keep the parent category less crowded.★Trekker (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is 14 or 15 subcategories, that does not make the difference. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Uruguay-cemetery-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parents (Category:Uruguay geography stubs and Category:Cemetery stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect per Grutness and standard stub sorting procedure. Her Pegship (?) 18:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete template and related category, as unlikely to be useful. – Fayenatic London 21:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete both, as there isn't any article in this category it is not helpful to redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Polish social activists of the Prussian partition[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category should either be merged or renamed to make it clearer how this is defining. Mason (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Polish activists in the Kingdom of Prussia for more clarity. "Polish" is meant as an ethnicity here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Joseph de Goislard de Monsabert[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This category only has the eponymous page and a image of statue of their likeness, which is not needed/helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 01:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
June 2[edit]
Category:16th- and 17th-century warrior types[edit]
- Propose merging Category:16th- and 17th-century warrior types to Category:Combat occupations
- Propose merging Category:18th- and 19th-century warrior types to Category:Combat occupations
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories largely overlap. Possibly create a new Category:Combat occupations of the early modern period as the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:12th-century Spanish sculptors[edit]
- Propose merging Category:12th-century Spanish sculptors to Category:Medieval Spanish sculptors and Category:12th-century sculptors
- Propose merging Category:10th-century Spanish artists to Category:Medieval Spanish artists and Category:10th-century artists
- Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge for now. There are isolated categories with a single person in it Mason (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. One rarely gets sculptors' names at this period. Johnbod (talk) 02:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Earthquakes in the Umayyad Caliphate[edit]
- Just delete, the article is already in Category:740s in the Umayyad Caliphate. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Specifies what's in the category The Midnite Wolf (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- not sure this is a good idea. because some things might not be a song for example the New Ho King restaurant which got very famous because of the feud. there was also a pizzeria, and if more things comes up "songs" would not make sense Freedun (yippity yap) 00:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire to Category:Seljuk Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the subcategory is already in Category:People from the Seljuk Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Aq Qoyunlu[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Aq Qoyunlu to Category:Aq Qoyunlu
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the subcategory is already in Category:People under the Aq Qoyunlu. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Ghaznavid Empire to Category:Ghaznavid Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the subcategory is already in Category:People from the Ghaznavid Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Timurid Empire[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Timurid Empire to Category:Timurid Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the subcategory is already in Category:People from the Timurid Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Pretenders part 1[edit]
- Propose upmerging...
- Category:Pretenders to the Austrian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Bavarian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the German throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Greek throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Iraqi throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Italian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Laotian throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Libyan throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Morocco (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of the Mughal Empire (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Rwandan throne (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Schaumburg-Lippe (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Schwarzburg thrones (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Sicilian throne (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Sikkim (1 P)
- Category:Claimants of the Sultanate of Sulu throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Zanzibar (1 P)
- ...to Category:Pretenders for now.
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MFN. All these cats have fewer than 5 articles in them, and therefore hardly aid navigation. I am preparing other discussions on lists and categories of pretenders (see User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Line of succession to the former X throne), but this is an easy first step. NLeeuw (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, these are not currently not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:20th-century Spanish Roman Catholics[edit]
- Support in principle, but add subCategory:Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War under Category:Spanish Roman Catholics. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:12th-century Arab historians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category. Upmerge to 12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world Mason (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I have been making efforts to phase out the Category:Medieval Islamic world WP:OR WP:ARBITRARYCAT tree, step by step. I gave it a break in September, but I still think the whole tree should be phased out. Isolation is not a problem; the real issue is creating pseudo-historical unity where there was none for WP:POV reasons. NLeeuw (talk) 18:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948 to Category:???????
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not really sure what to do with this category name, because it isn't particularly helpful/descriptive. Is this painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948. Mason (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, among Category:Painters by theme this concerns an extremely narrow theme. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge to Category:Landscape painters for now, with prejudice, as "Holy Land" is a WP:POV term. If anyone wants to revive the catname in the future, it needs a compelling justification. NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep' The nomination seems confused, perhaps fatally - the category is "PRE-1948" so it is not for "painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948." In the 19th-century context "Holy Land" is certainly the term that would have been used by the artists and their publics, & I don't think it is POV. If people want to delete it on those grounds they should think of alternatives, as it seems a valid category. Rather than being "an extremely narrow theme", it saw a big boom in the 19th century, partly as a branch of Orientalist painting. The category misses the most famous people, at least in the Anglosphere - where are William Holman Hunt, Edward Lear, James Tissot and many others? Johnbod (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Orientalist painters is a good point, the articles should be added to Category:Orientalist painters if applicable and if they are not in that tree yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see only one of the 5 described as "Orientalist" (and Marcocapelle just categorised then as such). James Tissot is indeed a name I recognise as painting events from the Hebrew Bible, though not necessarily "the Holy Land". E.g. File:Tissot The Women of Midian Led Captive by the Hebrews.jpg supposedly took place in southern Transjordan in what is now Saudi Arabia.
- Moreover, a lot of them were apparently Jewish, while "Holy Land" is a Christian term. It's really difficult to shape a category around such a vague concept with the people currently and proposed to be in there.
- I should add that "Holy Land" can be an appropriate term if the subject in question is entirely Christian, for, by and about Christians, e.g. Recovery of the Holy Land. No other phrase will describe that late medieval Christian literary genre that aptly. But for these painters...? I'm not convinced. NLeeuw (talk) 21:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's highly unclear where the events of Numbers 31 took place (if anwhere), but it seems more likely to be in modern Israel or Jordan than Saudi. In any case, Tissot spent time in Palestine to get his settings right, without I think getting as far as modern Saudi. I don't think that a century ago "Holy Land" was exclusively a Christian term - it would be rather ironic if it was. Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Arabic Wikipedia ar:الأراضي المقدسة says: The Holy Land is a term used in the Christian and Jewish religions to refer to the holy places in Palestine, especially Jerusalem , Bethlehem, and Nazareth...
- Hebrew Wikipedia he:ארץ הקודש says: Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land".[Source needed] However, the Bible refers to it explicitly as "holy land" in only one passage, the book of Zechariah, chapter 2, verse 16.
- It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice.
- At any rate, if 19th-century and early 20th-century Orientalist is our scope, why not use the term Levant instead? It fits the period well, is broader than just Palesrael, and is not as politically and religiously charged. NLeeuw (talk) 01:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- A fine piece of OR, & reliance on primary sources! You contradict your own research superbly there! "Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land"" and you conclude "It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice." Wonderful! "Palestine" (much less controversial in this period, & the official name for some of it) would be better than "Levant". I don't mind splitting off the 2-3 proto-Israeli figures, who I agree are rather different. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well no, I'm not claiming this is in-depth research lol. Let's try something a bit more empirical:
- Google Books search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "holy land": 2.110 results
- Google Books search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "levant": 1.950 results
- Google Scholar search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "holy land": 207 results
- Google Scholar search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "levant": 223 results
- Neither "holy land" or "levant" is particularly likely to be part of the title. Painting the Holy Land in the Nineteenth Century (1997) and Visions of the East: Influence of the Levant on the Italian Renaissance (2015) are two rare exceptions to this rule.
- David Roberts is often mentioned, but more frequently with "Palestine" than with "Holy Land". His bio David Roberts (painter) uses the term "Holy Land" no fewer than 12 times, though usually in conjuction with other 'countries' around it: his travelogue The Holy Land, Syria, Idumea, Arabia, Egypt, and Nubia comprises about half of those mentions.
- Gustav Bauernfeind (not yet in this category) is more usually associated with "Levant"; in fact, his bio has Gustav Bauernfeind#Painting the Levant, mentioning 'the Levant, the Orient, Ottoman Palestine, Jerusalem, Lebanon, Syria, the Holy Land'. Seems to me that Levant is the broadest, most encompassing and inclusive term of the two (or three if we count 'Palestine'). As it is broader, it could also include paintings of certain biblical narratives that are set in Transjordan (such as the one of Tissot referenced above), which may or may not be included under the term "Holy Land". It might be a good idea to add a catdesc that gives a description of what we mean by 'Levant', and the term 'Holy Land' does seem fitting there (amongst the other regions/countries I mention in this comment) instead of in the catname itself. Maybe that's an acceptable compromise? NLeeuw (talk) 13:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: Something like catname: Category:Orientalist painters of the Levant
- Catdesc:
- Might that work? NLeeuw (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It might (moving out the proto-Israelis), but I don't understand why people keep talking about "landscape" painters/paintings. Some, like Lear and Roberts, mostly were, but others, like Hunt and Tissot, concentrated on history paintings of Biblical narrative subjects, obviously many with landscape backgrounds. I'd still prefer Palestine to Levant. But I think it is important that we explicitly restrict the category to those who had actually spent time in the area, rather than working things up in Europe. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well no, I'm not claiming this is in-depth research lol. Let's try something a bit more empirical:
- A fine piece of OR, & reliance on primary sources! You contradict your own research superbly there! "Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land"" and you conclude "It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice." Wonderful! "Palestine" (much less controversial in this period, & the official name for some of it) would be better than "Levant". I don't mind splitting off the 2-3 proto-Israeli figures, who I agree are rather different. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's highly unclear where the events of Numbers 31 took place (if anwhere), but it seems more likely to be in modern Israel or Jordan than Saudi. In any case, Tissot spent time in Palestine to get his settings right, without I think getting as far as modern Saudi. I don't think that a century ago "Holy Land" was exclusively a Christian term - it would be rather ironic if it was. Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former high schools in Tokyo[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Former high schools in Tokyo to Category:Defunct high schools in Japan and Category:High schools in Tokyo
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. No need to diffuse highschools within a specific populated place and status (Defunct vs current; note that one of the targets is currently being speedy renamed from Category:Former high schools in Japan) Mason (talk) 14:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Not sure. It seems to me that Category:Former high schools in Tokyo and Category:Defunct high schools in Japan are sort of synonyms.Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was apparently missing the difference between "Tokyo" and "Japan" :-( Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Tokyo is equivalent to a prefecture, not a city, in a manner like a U.S. state. I'm not sure if this would make the category more viable, or if there should still be a split? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Legendary creatures[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Legendary creatures to Category:Folklore creatures
- Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it, but all contents here seem to fall outside of the realm of serious modern biology. NLeeuw (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep At the moment, "Legendary" sits above "Folklore" and "Mythological creatures" - rather a lot of the contents of the first two should probably be moved to the last. As a matter of English meaning, I don't think "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it" is at all true. "legendary" suggests to me a literary source(s) somewhere quite early on, & I think there is a distinction, if a rather vague one. Johnbod (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- At the moment "legendary" sits above, but the hierarchy could just as well be reversed because there isn't a clear distinction. The fact that the above two editors disagree on what Legendary means illustrates the confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Male ghosts[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with gender. Merging is not necessary, the single article is already in Category:Asian ghosts. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. And I would also support containerizing Category:Female ghosts, to discourage gendering individual ghosts Mason (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea, I have added that. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. And I would also support containerizing Category:Female ghosts, to discourage gendering individual ghosts Mason (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Splitting by gender is not trivial for living people, fictional characters, mythological figures or folklore figures. It's the simplest most commonplace way to difuse categories, and gender has and continues to have defining impact on all humans and all reflections of humans in culture.★Trekker (talk) 08:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per StarTrekker. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:People educated at Skerry's College[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Skerry's College wasn't an individual college, it was a series of courses that preped you for the civil servants examine. Mason (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Highly defining and probably too thinly populated. That Skerry's College was a commercial chain of schools, plus early distance learning, is neither here nor there. For working class people it was one of very few options for post-schoool education available in the UK at the time, & a key element of the biographies of the working-class heroes in the category. Johnbod (talk) 21:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:British LGBT civil servants[edit]
- Propose merging Category:British LGBT civil servants to Category:British civil servants
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being LGBT and being a civil servant. Per EGRS, the intersection must be relevant. Notably, there isn't a LGBT civil servant category. Mason (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge, a number of articles are already deeper in the tree of Category:British civil servants, e.g. diplomats or MI5. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rhythm games[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: keep. Nominator requested withdrawal. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Rhythm games to Category:Music video games
- Nominator's rationale: Some may not agree with me but there are several reasons I have for this merge. First of all, many video games labeled as a rhythm game in their articles are instead located in Category:Music video games, and now especially since I recently removed all subcategories in this category except for Rhythmic action games. Secondly, the five languages that this category is also in (please ignore the French version since it has over a hundred articles but was created over a decade ago unlike the English version) have only a few articles in each one. Finally, rhythm game and music game may be different things, but the category for music video games as whole contains subcategories for various types of music game, often distinct from rhythm games, such as Karaoke or Dance games. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, I can't really see a problem here, neither of the three arguments is convincing. If many articles about rhythm games are not in this category yet, they should be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Rhythm games are a distinct genre unto themselves with their own article separate from music games. Not all music games are rhythm based. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close, I guess this didn't really mean anything at the end. My bad. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 18:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Video games about undead and monsters[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Video games about undead to Category:Video games about legendary creatures
- Propose merging Category:Video games about monsters to Category:Video games about legendary creatures
- Nominator's rationale: I honestly want the category Video games about legendary creatures to be reverted, neither category alone is very populated in either way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Undead in popular culture and Category:Fiction about monsters respectively, with no good reason for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Because you "want" something is not an argument. And subcategories that are populated still means the parent category is populated, unless it's a non-defining intersection. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:National members of International Federation of Muaythai Associations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations to Category:International Federation of Muaythai Associations
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Multiple redundant category layers Mason (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Music series[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Music series to Category:Music (video game series)
- Nominator's rationale: So it is a video game series titled "Music". "Music series" is a bit to board i think. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, this needs a disambiguator, article Music (video game) contains a disambiguator too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per reasoning of the nominator. That's what the series article would be called if there was one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rota (island)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Rota (island) to Category:Rota, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name - moved due to recent consensus that WP:USPLACE covers U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2D: Rota, Northern Mariana Islands. NLeeuw (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tinian[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Tinian to Category:Tinian, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name, which was changed per recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I believe it does. See Category:San Juan, Puerto Rico and Category:Hagåtña, Guam. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- That said Pago Pago, American Samoa and Category:Pago Pago don't match either. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Saipan[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Saipan to Category:Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match the article name, which was just changed because of recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Besides articles about towns on Saipan are formatted as "town, Saipan", not as "town, Northern Mariana Islands". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: After purging, there is a single member of the category (Roman Polanski sexual abuse case). Upmerge to parents for now without prejudice against recreation if it can be appropriately populated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but I think that Category:Obscenity controversies in film is not a good place for the article. That category seems about what happens in films. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "purging" before the nom. I agree with Marco that the Polanski article should not be in any "film" category. I took a look at Category:Obscenity controversies in film, and someone has been wildly over-categorising. I removed the first four films I looked at (see my history) - there might or might not have been "obscenity" in the films, but there was no trace of a controversy over that. Also there was a lot of double-booking with Category:Film controversies. I find it hard to believe we could not populate a Category:Sexuality-related controversies in film but now it is all but empty I can't tell. What has been going on? Johnbod (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- For information, the purging of the nominated category was the result of this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
June 1[edit]
Category:Holden former executives[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Holden former executives to Category:Holden executives
- Propose merging Category:General Motors former executives to Category:General Motors executives
- Nominator's rationale: No need to distinguish between former and (implicitly) current GM executives Mason (talk) 22:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scottish models by century[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Scottish models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Scottish models to Category:21st-century Scottish people
- Propose deleting Category:Welsh models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:English models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century English models to Category:21st-century English people
- Propose merging Category:20th-century models from Northern Ireland to Category:20th-century people from Northern Ireland
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Australian models to Category:20th-century Australian people
- Propose deleting Category:Models from Northern Ireland by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Irish models to Category:20th-century Irish people
- Propose merging Category:20th-century American models to Category:20th-century American people
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Australian models to Category:21st-century Australian people
- Propose deleting Category:Irish models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:British models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Australian models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:American models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Canadian models to Category:20th-century Canadian people
- Propose deleting Category:Canadian models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Canadian models to Category:21st-century Canadian people
- Propose merging Category:21st-century models from Northern Ireland to Category:21st-century people from Northern Ireland
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Irish models to Category:21st-century Irish people
- Propose merging Category:21st-century American models to Category:21st-century American people
- Propose deleting Category:Models by century and nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:21st-century models (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Models by nationality and century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Models by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:20th-century models (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:20th-century models by nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:21st-century models by nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century British models to Category:British models and Category:21st-century British people
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Scottish models to Category:20th-century Scottish people and Category:Scottish models
- Propose merging Category:20th-century English models to Category:English models and Category:20th-century English people
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Welsh models to Category:Welsh models and Category:21st-century Welsh people
- Propose merging Category:20th-century British models to Category:20th-century British people and Category:British models
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Welsh models to Category:Welsh models and Category:20th-century Welsh people
- Nominator's rationale: Models, like other modern occupations, aren't diffused by century.Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_7#Models_by_century. I urge the category creator to look at the deletion history/logs of a category before they create it. Mason (talk) 21:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Body horror video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Seems to be entirely original research, not a thing whatsoever in video games, or in horror video games. User has been warned repeated for adding, and now creating, incorrect categories. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and cleanup It apparently is a thing in video games, there are plenty of sources that describe games as body horror, such as this one and this one. Body horror also has its own parent article. I'm not really aware of what bad categories this user made, but either way, even a stopped clock is right twice a day and that alone isn't a reason to delete a viable category. Any games that sources don't describe as body horror should be removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Governing body of political parties[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant, incorrect on many counts. Nohe of the articles in the category is specifically about any "governing body". - Altenmann >talk 20:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to parent Category:Organizational structure of political parties where the subcategories properly belong. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Farmers practicing sustainable agriculture[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Farmers practicing sustainable agriculture to Category:Farmers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection with occupation. Mason (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- If merged, then to Category:Organic farmers instead, and perhaps also to Category:Sustainability advocates. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jews and Judaism in Sullivan County, New York[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Merge; category had a few summer camps, some not Jewish-specific, which have been moved to the appropriate categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, as there is only a Synagogues subcategory left. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ezo'la[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Ezo'la to Category:Ezóla
- Nominator's rationale: Category is tagged with {{Correct title}} but there does not appear to exist any technical reason for it being at the current location. I still didn't go for WP:C2D to be safe. Nickps (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. Nickps (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Humanities[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Humanities to Category:Academic staff of Wuhan University
- Propose deleting Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Medical Sciences to Category:Wuhan University
- Propose merging Category:Wuhan University Faculty of Social Sciences to Category:Wuhan University
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge because these single item categories doesn't help with navigation within this university. Further they don't even have eponymous pages. Mason (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, and Category:Wuhan University School of Medicine alumni should be nominated for merging too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Institute of Ukrainian Archaeography[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I think that these are the same organization Mason (talk) 13:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ongoing conflicts in the Middle East[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Ongoing conflicts in the Middle East to Category:Conflicts in the Middle East
- Nominator's rationale: rename, there is no reason to limit this to ongoing conflicts, we do not have any other Ongoing conflicts category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Institutes of Nirma University of Science & Technology[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this category to include the university. Main article is a redirect to Nirma University via Nirma University of Science & Technology Mason (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Battles by location in Italy[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Battles by location in Italy to Category:Military history of Italy by region
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Abruzzo (2 P) to Category:History of Abruzzo
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Apulia (13 P) to Category:Military history of Apulia
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Basilicata (3 P) to Category:History of Basilicata
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Calabria (9 P) to Category:Military history of Calabria
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Campania (29 P) to Category:Military history of Campania
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Emilia-Romagna (1 C, 51 P) to Category:Military history of Emilia-Romagna
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Friuli-Venezia Giulia (1 C, 8 P) to Category:Military history of Friuli-Venezia Giulia
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Lazio (1 C, 18 P) to Category:Military history of Lazio
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Liguria (1 C, 12 P) to Category:Military history of Liguria
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Lombardy (48 P) to Category:Military history of Lombardy
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Marche (10 P) to Category:Military history of Marche
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Molise (2 P) to Category:History of Molise
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Piedmont (32 P) to Category:Military history of Piedmont
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Sardinia (5 P) to Category:Military history of Sardinia
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Sicily (1 C, 23 P) to Category:Military history of Sicily
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol (2 P) to Category:History of Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Tuscany (19 P) to Category:Military history of Tuscany
- Propose upmerging for now Category:Battles in Umbria (3 P) to Category:History of Umbria
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Veneto (33 P) to Category:Military history of Veneto
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to recent precedents, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany. Upmerging those that already have dedicated Military history of Fooland cats, Renaming those that have at least 5 P to Military history of Fooland, Upmerging those that have fewer than 5 P to History of Fooland for now. NLeeuw (talk) 09:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename/merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Central Greece[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Central Greece to Category:Central Greece (region) and Category:Central Greece (geographic region)
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (region) – modern times (after 1987)
- Main article: Central Greece (region)
- Other articles: Template:Central Greece, Decentralized Administration of Thessaly and Central Greece
- Child categories: Category:Buildings and structures in Central Greece, Category:Culture in Central Greece (but re-parent Category:Archaeological discoveries in Central Greece to Category:Central Greece (geographic region)), Category:Geography of Central Greece, Category:Organizations based in Central Greece, Category:People from Central Greece, Category:Sport in Central Greece, Category:Tourist attractions in Central Greece, Category:Transport in Central Greece, Category:Central Greece geography stubs.
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (region) – modern times (after 1987)
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (geographic region) – history (before 1987)
- Main article: Central Greece (geographic region)
- Other articles: Attica, Phocis and Locris Prefecture.
- Child categories: Category:History of Central Greece, Category:Archaeological discoveries in Central Greece.
- Proposed contents of Category:Central Greece (geographic region) – history (before 1987)
- Propose purging Attica (region).
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. Central Greece (region) is the modern administrative region (Περιφέρεια perifereia) established in 1987. Central Greece (geographic region) is the historic geographical region (γεωγραφικό διαμέρισμα geografiko diamerisma) abolished in 1987. I have WP:BOLDly renamed Central Greece (an WP:UNSOURCED article) to Central Greece (geographic region), and turned Central Greece into a DP, hoping to clarify the situation. Splitting the category is the next logical step. Child categories can be renamed if so desired per WP:C2C once this split is approved. NLeeuw (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- This sounds like a too complex solution for a not so complex problem. I think we should just remove Attica from Category:History of Central Greece and every of its subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is too simplistic a solution for a complex problem. I'll illustrate the problem with maps:
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Central Greece (region), after 1987
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Central Greece (geographic region), before 1987
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Geographic regions of Greece, before 1987
- If we want this category to be only about the modern administrative region (perifereia) of Central Greece, it's not just about removing Attica, it is also removing parts of Western Greece, removing the northeast coast of the Pelopponese (or not?), removing Kythira (or not?), but adding Skyros (or not?), and so on. NLeeuw (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough to remove those too. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- If we want this category to be only about the modern administrative region (perifereia) of Central Greece, it's not just about removing Attica, it is also removing parts of Western Greece, removing the northeast coast of the Pelopponese (or not?), removing Kythira (or not?), but adding Skyros (or not?), and so on. NLeeuw (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
People with acquired citizenship or Naturalized citizens[edit]
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired American citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of the United States
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired British citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of the United Kingdom
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired French citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of France
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Indian citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of India
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Israeli citizenship to Category:Naturalized citizens of Israel
- Propose merging Category:People with acquired Russian citizenship to Category:Naturalised citizens of Russia
- Nominator's rationale: Merge; I don't see any difference between "Acquired citizenship" and "Naturalized citizen". Since I can't be sure, I will start this as a small Cfd before deciding on continuing with the rest. Also leave redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: "Naturalized citizens" categories are MUCH older than "Acquired citizenship" ones. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am inclined to support this, as I can't tell the difference either, but I am open to counter arguments. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location[edit]
- Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location (2 C, 0 P)
- Category:Battles in medieval Anatolia (35 P)
- Category:Battles in medieval Thrace (5 P)
- Option 1: Just delete all. All battles are already in the relevant involving former country X categories. (most of these are Byzantine Empire and its successors, Arab caliphates, Bulgaria, Armenia, Seljuk sultanates and their successors). Neither Thrace nor Anatolia was or is a "country".
- Option 2: Upmerge to Category:Battles of the Middle Ages; delete Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location. This seeks a common denominator to upmerge to, as the precedent does. But to me, it rather feels like "dumping" them into a rather unspecific category that isn't very helpful.
- Option 3: Rename to Category:Military history of medieval Anatolia and Category:Military history of medieval Thrace; add parent Category:Military history of Turkey; delete Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location. This is somewhat in line with other recent precedents that upmerge or rename Battles in Fooland to Military history of (modern administrative unit). But due to the Lorraine problem, these would not be proper new categories. "Turkey" is a proper modern administrative unit, but "medieval Thrace" and "medieval Anatolia" aren't; neither Thrace nor Anatolia was or is a "country", nor is there any Category:Military history of medieval Fooland.
- Option 4: Merge directly into Category:Military history of Turkey; delete Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location. This is more closely in line with other recent precedents that upmerge or rename Battles in Fooland to Military history of (modern administrative unit). However, this is quite a stretch, as the Republic of Turkey was not established until 1923, and the ancestors of modern Turks did not really enter Anatolia until the 11th century as Seljuks. Unlike other children of Category:Middle Ages by country, there isn't a Category:Medieval Turkey, nor is there any Category:Military history of medieval Fooland.
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. This is a follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Thrace. All three were upmerged to Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars without a location marker. Given all considerations, I would recommend Option 1, but I'm curious to hear what others have to say. NLeeuw (talk) 06:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping @Marcocapelle for follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 06:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Prefer 1 too. Option 2 (having articles directly in a medieval category) would conflict with Category:Conflicts by time which mostly contains battles and option 3 and 4 are far from ideal as already pointed out by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Taoists from Imperial China[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:10th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Jin (Later Tang precursor) Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:10th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Min Kingdom Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:10th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Southern Tang Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:10th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Han dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Jin dynasty (266–420) Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Jin dynasty (1115–1234) Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Ming dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Northern Wei Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Northern Zhou Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:6th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Qing dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Cheng Han Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:4th-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Song dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Sui dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Tang dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Propose merging Category:Three Kingdoms Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:3rd-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Cao Wei Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:3rd-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Eastern Wu Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China and Category:3rd-century Taoists
- Propose merging Category:Yuan dynasty Taoists to Category:Taoists from Imperial China
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with religion. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion.
- @Smasongarrison, Omnis Scientia, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Yinweiaiqing: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge mer nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Question Okay, I am in favour of upmerging for now all those categories that have fewer than 5 items (I had recommended such a follow-up, so thanks for that!). But you would even upmerge a relatively well-populated category like Category:Tang dynasty Taoists (26 P), as the specific dynasty is considered "trivial" in addition to each of these people being Taoists from Imperial China? Just making sure that we're all on the same page. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- We might make an exception for the Song and Tang dynasty, since Taoism appears to be most widely accepted under these two dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note to @Mason: In your last comment, you said to Yinweiaiqing you have made A LOT of categories that are still underpopulated. That's probably not true. As far as I know, all the underpopulated categories that I listed for possible future upmerging were created by other people over the course of many years, some going back to 2010. These were not created by Yinweiaiqing a few days ago just to populate the Category:People from Imperial China by religion. I didn't check all edit histories, but all categories I checked weren't newly created by Yinweiaiqing a few days ago. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now for the tiny categories. Re; Good to know about Yinweiaiqing . I still stand by my repeated request that they populate their categories. But I do recognize that since I've raised the issue they haven't been making single person cateogories. Mason (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Syndromes with autism[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Syndromes with autism to Category:Syndromic autism
- Nominator's rationale: "Syndromic autism" is much more commonly used than "Syndromes with autism". For example, on Google Scholar,
"Syndromes with autism" OR "Syndrome with autism"
yields about 516 results[1], whereas"Syndromic autism"
gives about 3,470 results[2]. Additionally, renaming this category would also make it correspond to Syndromic autism article. Digressivo (talk) 05:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Add Syndromic autism as Main article. NLeeuw (talk) 06:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic of these syndromes. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- A syndrome is a collection of symptoms that co-occur and therefore when autism is one of these it is prominently listed in the RS and can be considered defining.
- I'm not against the rename but for reference the title was chosen for consistency with other "syndromes with" categories. (t · c) buidhe 01:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- They aren't syndromes with autism but rather syndromes with a slightly higher prevelance of autism than average. Most articles hardly make any reference to autism. A list would be much better in this case, and that is already included in the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Career achievements of snooker players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:NARROWCAT Let'srun (talk) 03:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cartoon Network stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Stub category no longer populated enough to warrant retention. As always, stub categories need to have a minimum of 60 articles, but after I detagged a handful of articles that were too long to be tagged as stubs at all this went from 25 to 20. It has existed in its current form since 2011, after being deleted as underpopulated in 2007 -- but was then tagged as underpopulated again in 2018, until that template was deleted at TFD, so it's not entirely clear that it was ever really adequately populated at all.
Even the 20 pages that are here are a bit of a random grab bag, as it's populated mainly by video game or album tie-ins to Cartoon Network programming and/or foreign channels that franchised Cartoon Network or Boomerang branding, rather than things that actually have much to do with the Category:United States television stubs parent -- so it's not at all clear that there are actually very many things that could be added here to get it back over 60 articles again. It's not generally standard practice, at any rate, to stub-tag things for overly specific associations like particular TV networks; WikiProject Cartoon Network already has project templates on the talk pages anyway, so this isn't serving any important purpose that isn't already being served elsewhere. Bearcat (talk) 01:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or possibly merge, to Category:Animation stubs if the latter. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or merge?
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- @Bearcat: what is your opinion on merging? Marcocapelle (talk) 03:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm of two minds. The international Cartoon Network or Boomerang franchise channels would be fine in Category:Animation stubs, but the tie-in albums probably don't belong there at all, the couple of actual TV shows in this category are already in Category:Animated television series stubs alongside this as it is and thus don't need to be double-filed in the general animation parent, and there's also a person in this grab-bag who wouldn't belong there. So merging would be fine, as long as there's a purge along with it. Bearcat (talk) 12:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm of two minds. The international Cartoon Network or Boomerang franchise channels would be fine in Category:Animation stubs, but the tie-in albums probably don't belong there at all, the couple of actual TV shows in this category are already in Category:Animated television series stubs alongside this as it is and thus don't need to be double-filed in the general animation parent, and there's also a person in this grab-bag who wouldn't belong there. So merging would be fine, as long as there's a purge along with it. Bearcat (talk) 12:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Omaha people[edit]
- Nominator's rationale As there is only one recognized Omaha tribe, the Omaha Tribe of Nebraska (that is the official tribal name on the federal register), change this category's name to match the official name and get rid of the clunky parentheses. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- No oppose, but wouldn't Category:Omaha people be simpler? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle if I recall correctly that's what it was originally and then somebody changed it because they thought people would confuse it for people from the city of Omaha. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I see. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps Category:Omaha Tribe people would work. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle if I recall correctly that's what it was originally and then somebody changed it because they thought people would confuse it for people from the city of Omaha. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Omaha people to match Omaha people, and because similarly ambiguous names like Category:Iowa people/Category:People from Iowa aren't disambiguated in this manner. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 That is what it was before. Here is a link to the previous discussion. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Iowa should be renamed as well. That just results in maintenance headaches -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Support renaming to Category:Omaha Tribe people or Category:Omaha Tribe of Nebraska people. Noting that the parent cat is: Category:Omaha Tribe of Nebraska. We have ambiguity due to the tribe name and the city name. And since the city is at Omaha due to WP:COMMONNAME, we should find a way to provide clarity. I think using the name that the tribe themselves use is an easy way forward. - jc37 19:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Support per nom. Recommend renaming main article Omaha people to Omaha Tribe of Nebraska, to avoid future confusion. Category:Omaha people is not in use because of its ambiguous name, so the main article runs the same risk. (It would have been convenient to rename the main article first and then speedy the category per WP:C2D, but oh well, here we are ). NLeeuw (talk) 07:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hospitals in Dharwad[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Hospitals in Dharwad to Category:Hospitals in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Hindu temples in Dharwad to Category:Hindu temples in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Dharwad to Category:Buildings and structures in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Engineering colleges in Dharwad to Category:Engineering colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Medical colleges in Dharwad to Category:Medical colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Universities and colleges in Dharwad to Category:Universities and colleges in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Education in Dharwad to Category:Education in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Neighbourhoods in Dharwad to Category:Neighbourhoods in Hubli–Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Dharwad to Category:Hubli–Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Government of Dharwad to Category:Local government in Karnataka
- Propose deleting Category:Geography of Dharwad (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Roads in Dharwad to Category:Roads in Dharwad district
- Propose renaming Category:Road transport in Dharwad to Category:Road transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose renaming Category:Rail transport in Dharwad to Category:Rail transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Propose merging Category:Transport in Dharwad to Category:Transport in Hubli-Dharwad
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are one half of a twin city Hubli-Dharwad. The cities have a single municipal corporation called Hubli-Dharwad Municipal Corporation. (It's like the Twin-Cities Minnesota). Almost all of these categories were made by now blocked sock puppet. Mason (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Engineering colleges in Prakasham District[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: A category for Prakasham District doesn't exist. Upmerge Mason (talk) 01:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Universities and colleges in Prakasam district. A single-article category is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:Pop-band-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Stub template of unclear utility. It's only used on a grand total of ten articles, so it doesn't have its own dedicated stub category and instead just sorts those articles into the generic Category:Musical group stubs -- but because every last one of those ten articles features this template alongside a "Nationality-band-stub" template that sorts its articles into a more specific national or continental subcategory of Category:Musical group stubs, that means this template is adding nothing but unnecessary parent-and-child duplicate categorization. Bearcat (talk) 00:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
May 31[edit]
Phonologists by nationality[edit]
Propose renaming
- Category:American phonologists to Category:Phonologists from the United States
- Category:British phonologists to Category:Phonologists from the United Kingdom
- Category:Canadian phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Canada
- Category:Chinese phonologists to Category:Phonologists from China
- Category:Dutch phonologists to Category:Phonologists from the Netherlands
- Category:French phonologists to Category:Phonologists from France
- Category:German phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Germany
- Category:Iranian phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Iran
- Category:Italian phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Italy
- Category:Japanese phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Japan
- Category:Polish phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Poland
- Category:Russian phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Russia
- Category:Spanish phonologists to Category:Phonologists from Spain
To reduce ambiguity, in the same vein as the subcategories of Category:Linguists by nationality, which were renamed after Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 13#Linguists by nationality. Nardog (talk) 23:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean support. Seems reasonable on its face. But I don't know if I'm missing something obvious.Mason (talk) 23:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure. Phonology does not seem to study the subject by every language. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- It does both, as does linguistics as a whole. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact e.g. a "Dutch phonologist" is ambiguous as to whether they're a phonologist from the Netherlands or someone who studies the phonology of Dutch. Nardog (talk) 09:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll leave this to the specialists to decide. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- It does both, as does linguistics as a whole. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact e.g. a "Dutch phonologist" is ambiguous as to whether they're a phonologist from the Netherlands or someone who studies the phonology of Dutch. Nardog (talk) 09:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Modern serif typefaces[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Modern serif typefaces to Category:Didone serif typefaces
- Nominator's Rationale: Didone is a more common term for this typeface classification. (Didone (typography)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jothefiredragon (talk • contribs)
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Category:Moorlands of the United Kingdom by country[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. These categories would be the only ones in the merge target Mason (talk) 23:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:2001 abandonware games for Windows[edit]
- Propose merging Category:2001 abandonware games for Windows to Category:Abandonware games for Windows
- Propose merging Category:2002 abandonware games for Windows to Category:Abandonware games for Windows
- Propose merging Category:2004 abandonware games for Windows to Category:Abandonware games for Windows
- Propose merging Category:2014 abandonware games for Windows to Category:Abandonware games for Windows
- Nominator's rationale: There are only a few categories. My mother is asking me to Ocean Grove right now so can't finish up right way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I want to have categories per year, as now. I created this category recently - there are many abandonware games per every year - please do not merge. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 23:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, there are only very few articles. I have merged the four nominations to one. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hamas bombers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas members
- Nominator's rationale: "bomber" is not an occupation. User:Namiba 01:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, but Populate Bombing and especially suicide bombing is not necessarily like a paid "job", no, but it is a "role" in a military, paramilitary or terrorist organisation, even if it is literally the last thing they'll ever do. For the record, I understand "bombers" to include "bomb-makers". Therefore, Category:Hamas members by role is appropriate. (There is a whole Category:Hamas suicide bombings and List of Palestinian suicide attacks, which shows this is a common role within the organisation). Currently, Category:Bombers (people) is in the Category:Criminals by crime, while Category:Suicide bombing is inter alia in Category:Military tactics.
- Although the category had only 2 members when nominated, it could easily be populated with more. I just added Mohiyedine Sharif, Yahya Ayyash, Samar Sabih, and Nidal Farahat. Most of these were already in Category:Hamas military members. It might be worth re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, although that would leave Category:Hamas members by role pretty much empty. I think it is quite a redundant layer anyway; we could Upmerge it to Category:Hamas members instead. NLeeuw (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Namiba So you agree with Upmerging Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members, and Re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members? If so, could you please tag Category:Hamas members by role accordingly, and change your proposal, or add it as an Alt proposal? Thanks in advance!
- If you mean something else, please clarify, so we can discuss it. NLeeuw (talk) 05:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- If merged, rather to Category:Hamas military members. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I would rather populate and re-parent Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, and upmerge Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members; see my explanation above. NLeeuw (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that works for me.--User:Namiba 14:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I would rather populate and re-parent Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, and upmerge Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members; see my explanation above. NLeeuw (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Intersex rights by region[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Intersex rights by region to Category:Intersex rights
- Nominator's rationale: Neither of the two categories (by continent), (by country) are regions. Furthermore, the parent category isn't crowded, so having this is the main category is helpful more navigation. Mason (talk) 20:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish-American history in West Virginia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category. There were two other articles which belonged in Category:Synagogues in West Virginia rather than here; I've moved them there. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hamid Al-Shairi albums[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category with only a single redirect for an album that contains little info beyond its existence at the target article. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Crossover characters in television[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I highly doubt this could be considered WP:DEFINING for a majority of these characters. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ming dynasty overseer of rituals[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tambralinga[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only the eponymous article and a subcategory. Move the eponymous article to Category:History of Nakhon Si Thammarat. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rulers of Chiang Mai[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Rulers of Chiang Mai to Category:Kings of Chiang Mai
- Nominator's rationale: per article Kingdom of Chiang Mai. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I'll need to think this over, but right now I'm leaning toward oppose as there's no consensus in history-writing on the English-language term used to refer to such rulers, though rulers is commonly used. On a related note, I notice you've attempted a reorganization to match the category's scope with that of the Kingdom of Chiang Mai article, which I'm not sure was optimal. As raised at Talk:Lan Na, there was not a separate "Kingdom of Chiang Mai", rather the article just covers the a period in Lan Na's history when it was under suzerainty of Bangkok, so it's probably the articles that need to be re-structured. But the categories can be updated again when and if that does happen. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Works by year[edit]
- Propose merging Category:390 works to Category:390
- Propose merging Category:394 works to Category:394
- Propose merging Category:525 works to Category:525 and Category:6th-century works
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. The two first categories do not need another merge target, the articles are already in a subcategory of Category:4th-century works. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Songs from The Three Caballeros[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Barring the two redirects, none of the articles in this category originate in the film. Fails WP:DEFINING. (Oinkers42) (talk) 04:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we only categorize songs written for films. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Illeists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Trivial association, non-defining. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this may be added as a perfect example in WP:TRIVIALCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the characteristic is defining enough to be covered by and discussed in reliable sources (often a multitude of reliable sources, such as for Zlatan Ibrahimović and Donald Trump). Besides, there is a body of scientific research on the various contexts and psychological meaning of illeism (see section "In everyday speech" in article Illeism). --HPfan4 (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:UCLA Extension alumni[edit]
- Propose merging Category:UCLA Extension alumni to Category:University of California, Los Angeles alumni
- Propose merging Category:Harvard Extension School alumni to Category:Harvard University alumni added on 23:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:La Salle Extension University alumni to Category:La Salle University alumni added on 23:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This distinction for people who attended the extension school seems like an arbitrary distinction and is likely not defining for any of the two members in the category Mason (talk) 01:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The UCLA Extension is one of the constituent colleges in the UCLA Systems, and one of the oldest at UCLA (it is a separate accredited college and not a designation for off campus students). Several other universities have extension colleges as can be seen here. These colleges, designed for working people, are becoming more popular, particularly post COVID. There are many links to the main article for people, which likely means the cat can be populated well beyond the 10 already in it (I added a few since the start of this CFD). Also, this cat provides an opportunity for subcategorization of an overpopulated upper level cat. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. While you are right that there are other extension schools, this is the only one with a category and there doesn't seem to be a big difference between normal alumni and extension school alumni. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Hi Omnis Scienta, please see Category:Harvard Extension School alumni. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would still say merge per my second reasoning. I don't think the Harvard Extension School teaches anything special anymore than UCLA Extension does. @Smasongarrison, I think you should nominate this category as well, in fact (and any other similar one). Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've added to nom per @Omnis Scientia, pinging @FieldMarine. No one is saying that the extension school isn't notable, but that the distinction isn't defining for alumns. For example, Folks aren't introduced as UCLA Extension alumn, but they are as UCLA law school alumn. Mason (talk) 23:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would still say merge per my second reasoning. I don't think the Harvard Extension School teaches anything special anymore than UCLA Extension does. @Smasongarrison, I think you should nominate this category as well, in fact (and any other similar one). Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Like at UCLA, the Harvard Extension School is one of the oldest colleges at Harvard University and it is distinct, with its own graduation exercises. With respect to, "Folks aren’t introduced as…", a Google search of, "Graduated from Harvard Extension School" shows people are frequently "introduced" with that distinction. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: Hi Omnis Scienta, please see Category:Harvard Extension School alumni. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The UCLA Extension is one of the constituent colleges in the UCLA Systems, and one of the oldest at UCLA (it is a separate accredited college and not a designation for off campus students). Several other universities have extension colleges as can be seen here. These colleges, designed for working people, are becoming more popular, particularly post COVID. There are many links to the main article for people, which likely means the cat can be populated well beyond the 10 already in it (I added a few since the start of this CFD). Also, this cat provides an opportunity for subcategorization of an overpopulated upper level cat. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, at least Harvard's. HES has separate degrees (ALB, ALM which aren't earned at other schools at Harvard), commencement ceremony, etc. for the extension school like the rest of the schools. There are unique classes at HES, that aren't offered at other schools. If UCLA, LaSalle, and any others are more like Harvard, keep them separate as well. Patken4 (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings by Karl Friedrich Lessing[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings by Karl Friedrich Lessing to Category:Paintings by Carl Friedrich Lessing (canceled by nominator, since both forms are actually used)
- Nominator's rationale: This is the correct form in German, like you can see by the German Wikipedia [3] and other Wikipedias, and also by Wikipedia Commons [4].Mistico Dois (talk) 02:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, sources mentioned in the article use both C and K. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Answer The more correct and usual form in German is Carl Friedrich Lessing, as you can see by the German Wikipedia. The predominant way is Carl. But unfortunately you are right, both forms appear in a quick search in the Google, for example. But if the German Wikipedia uses the form Carl shouldn't that be the preferable?Mistico Dois (talk) 14:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Since Carl Friedrich Lessing was German, it makes sense the way his name is usually spelled there, even if there is an alternative way.Mistico Dois (talk) 23:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose. German language Wikipedia is not just for German nationals. Further, he looks to have been born in Poland. Again, my point is that your argument isn't very compelling for one Wikipedia to defer to another Wikipedia. Do you have any alternative arguments that don't rely on this premise? Mason (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Final comment Since both forms are used and several Wikipedias use both forms, I think it can go back to the previous form. I'm cancelling my request.Mistico Dois (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
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Category:Hatsune Miku[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Figure this one out for yourself. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close as malformed (and without merit). - Altenmann >talk 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close no rationale given, and tag the nom for misuse of process -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66: please comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close. User has edited since being pinged, demonstrates a lack of intent to see this discussion through. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 14:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians who play Wuthering Waves[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- support per nom. - Altenmann >talk 23:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pool writers and broadcasters[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Pool writers and broadcasters to Category:Pool commentators
- Nominator's rationale: Rename; three commentators and only one is a writer. The writer can be moved to the parent category. Alt: merge with Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters given its small size. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support either, prefer alt, writers and commentators are quite different occupations (although some people profess both) and a category of three is not very helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Cue sports writers and broadcasters to Category:Cue sports writers and Category:Cue sports commentators
- Propose splitting Category:Snooker writers and broadcasters to Category:Snooker writers and Category:Snooker commentators
- Nominator's rationale: Split per previous precedent. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Split, writers and commentators are quite different occupations (although some people profess both). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral for the moment. I'm concerned that such a split would result in some of the resultant categories being too small for our usual tolerance level. They were combined into a kind of "cue sports media people" hybrid for this very reason. The fact that two occupations (or whatever) can be distinguished does not mean that they must be, especially if the result will be problematic, and if the original more general category is appropriately categorized with regard to its content scope so that readers can find what they are looking for, as is the case here. If we're sure that some small categories that would result from the proposed split will be kept because they are part of systematic sports-occupation and media-occupation categorization structures, then I would support the split as ultimately clearer for readers (and for editors too, actually). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota to Category:Manufacturing companies based in North Dakota and Category:Companies based in Fargo–Moorhead
- Propose merging Category:Manufacturing companies based in Fargo, North Dakota to Category:Manufacturing companies based in North Dakota and Category:Companies based in Fargo–Moorhead
- Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow intersection of characteristics, resulting in categories with just one entry each. While some "Manufacturing companies based in Specific-City" categories do exist for major US cities with a lot of articles to be filed there, like Los Angeles or Chicago or NYC, they do not need to exist right across the board the moment a smaller city or town has one manufacturing company with an article.
No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there are five or six articles that can be filed in each of them, but it does not aid navigation to funnel everything down into microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See request to relist (Category:Manufacturing companies based in Fargo, North Dakota was not tagged).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:20th century in Punjab[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. There is no need to merge, the subcategories are already under Category:History of Punjab, India and Category:History of Punjab, Pakistan. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the same for Category:Decades in Punjab, no? - Altenmann >talk 23:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Altenmann: thank you, I have added that to the nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films directed by Youli Karassik[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Depopulated. Wrong name; correct: Category:Films directed by Yuli Karasik. - Altenmann >talk 19:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. In these situations, you could always turn a category like this into a category redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 19:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rabbis at West London Synagogue[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete - I understand this was made in good faith per an ongoing Cfd on Category:West London Synagogue but there is no category tree for "religious leaders by religious building". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose/keep A synagogue isn't a building; it's a religious community, which can exist independently of the building. As for "religious leaders by religious building" see, for example, Deans of St. Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and its associated category. Headhitter (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest to nominate that category too. It is similar to WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, there are three such categories for Deans in Dublin only (as far as I can tell). Should I do all three or leave them for later? Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, ah okay, I see. @Headhitter, Deans and archbishops are assigned to a particular city or region. That is not the case here or with Judaism. Besides that, there are no similar "Rabbis by synagogues" tree so it doesn't make sense. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- In any case, this was made despite there being an ongoing Cfd on the matter. You should have waited for that Cfd to close before creating this category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest to nominate that category too. It is similar to WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose/keep A synagogue isn't a building; it's a religious community, which can exist independently of the building. As for "religious leaders by religious building" see, for example, Deans of St. Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and its associated category. Headhitter (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No need to merge somewhere, the articles are already in Category:British Reform rabbis. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dynasties of the Jats[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Dynasties of the Jats to Category:Jat states
- Nominator's rationale: rename, 4 of the 5 articles are about states rather than dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:120mm mortars[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:120mm mortars to Category:120 mm mortars
- Nominator's rationale: MOS:UNITSYMBOLS and consistency with parent category 120 mm artillery Chris the speller yack 14:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jat surname[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Jat surname to Category:Jat
- Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow small category. Gjs238 (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Improperly singular, unnecessary category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tulu children[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Tulu children to Category:Tulu people and Category:Indian children
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Non-defining intersection between ethnicity and age Mason (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, both articles are already in the trees of Category:Tulu actors and Category:Indian child actors. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as redundant. - Altenmann >talk 23:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films directed by Udayasankar[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The subject's full name: https://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-articles/movies-06/vegam-review.html Kailash29792 (talk) 11:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish summer camps in New Hampshire[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Triple merge; only two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Reform summer camps[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; no other Jewish religious denomination has their own category. The two articles are already in appropriate subcats so no need to merge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Works about Frankie Lymon[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Works about Frankie Lymon to Category:Frankie Lymon
- Propose merging Category:Films about Frankie Lymon to Category:Frankie Lymon
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Inajd0101 (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Inajd0101 (talk) 03:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:1941 establishments in Indonesia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Following the established format. Veracious ^(•‿•)^ 05:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Meanwhile the category has been emptied so there is nothing left to rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Oops, just re-added the content. Veracious ^(•‿•)^ 06:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, this was established when the Dutch were still in power. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films about The Teenagers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Films about The Teenagers to Category:Films about musical groups
- Nominator's rationale: No similar categories for musical acts/groups with only one film about them. Possible delete since film is more about the life of Frankie Lymon than the group. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 04:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I don't see why we need two separate categories. This causes confusion with many of the articles in Category:Private secondary schools in Victoria (state) really belonging in Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne. — GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see this as an issue; its something that happens with a lot of categories which have further subcategories. Just move private schools which are in Melbourne to the appropriate category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure. Other big cities in Australia also have a category like this. If kept, move articles from Category:Private secondary schools in Victoria (state) to Category:Private secondary schools in Melbourne if appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - no rationale has been given for merge. ('I don't see why' is not a valid rationale.) Perspicax (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army to Category:British Indian Army personnel and splitting to Category:19th-century Indian royalty and Category:20th-century Indian royalty (BIA runs from 1895 to 1947 i think)
- Propose merging Category:Indian royals in Indian Army to Category:Indian Army personnel and Category:20th-century Indian royalty
- Propose merging Category:Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army to Category:20th-century Pakistani military personnel and Category:20th-century Indian royalty
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is an interesting, but non-defining intersection between royalty, nationality, military service. Perhaps a list? Mason (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Mason, thanks for the consideration of these categories. I created these three categories because Indian royals did have representation in the British Indian Army. These were mostly in ceremonial roles, as, for instance, honorary colonel, honorary major general, or more substantively in some cases, as, for instance, involvement in actual fighting or sending troops to the fights of the British Indian Army. The royals to whom I have added these three categories are all princes, rajas, or maharajas of Indian princely states. British India was composed of these two kinds of territories - regions under direct British administration, and the princely states, which came under the suzerainty of the British Crown. The rulers of the latter were required to provide men for various imperial wars, and sometimes went to serve in such wars themselves too. By creating these three categories, I thought of pooling together known instances of Indian princely state rulers and their family members who were in any capacity related to the British Indian Army. One of these three categories, however, can do better with renaming: Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army can simply become Former royals in Pakistani Army. Ultimately, however, whether to keep these three categories or not is your call, of course. Let me know what you think. Best wishes. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the added context. What you've written here sounds like a good case for a list or an brief article. The challenge is that categories need to be DEFINING as in the characteristic could (and often is) mentioned in the lead or is something that meets the criteria under WP:EGRS. Were these people regularly described as being Royals in the British Indian Army? Mason (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's true, perhaps then these would do better as a list. While these individuals would wear the same uniforms as others if in active service (that wasn't often the case), their commanding officer would know this person was a royal, and the officer would make it sure to neither give hard manual tasks to such personnel nor send them in the heat of battles. More often, the royals to whom I added these categories were given honorary ranks by the British Indian Army for having provided men from their princely states for colonial military expeditions and wars, such as the Waziristan campaigns, World War I and II, etc., and sometimes just as symbols of political expediency. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the added context. What you've written here sounds like a good case for a list or an brief article. The challenge is that categories need to be DEFINING as in the characteristic could (and often is) mentioned in the lead or is something that meets the criteria under WP:EGRS. Were these people regularly described as being Royals in the British Indian Army? Mason (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Mason, thanks for the consideration of these categories. I created these three categories because Indian royals did have representation in the British Indian Army. These were mostly in ceremonial roles, as, for instance, honorary colonel, honorary major general, or more substantively in some cases, as, for instance, involvement in actual fighting or sending troops to the fights of the British Indian Army. The royals to whom I have added these three categories are all princes, rajas, or maharajas of Indian princely states. British India was composed of these two kinds of territories - regions under direct British administration, and the princely states, which came under the suzerainty of the British Crown. The rulers of the latter were required to provide men for various imperial wars, and sometimes went to serve in such wars themselves too. By creating these three categories, I thought of pooling together known instances of Indian princely state rulers and their family members who were in any capacity related to the British Indian Army. One of these three categories, however, can do better with renaming: Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army can simply become Former royals in Pakistani Army. Ultimately, however, whether to keep these three categories or not is your call, of course. Let me know what you think. Best wishes. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus to merge, but should it also be listified as suggested by Apandeyhp89?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- No objection to a list if User:Apandeyhp89 is willing to create and populate it. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Marcocapelle. I can do that, but that would unfortunately have to wait a few months, due to real life preoccupations. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Then I would suggest to copy the category content to User talk:Apandeyhp89 so that they can pick this up when they have time for it, and delete the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Marcocapelle. I can do that, but that would unfortunately have to wait a few months, due to real life preoccupations. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Orientls (talk) 13:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Autistic LGBT people[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Autistic LGBT people to Category:LGBT people with disabilities
- Nominator's rationale: This category is a the recreation of Category:LGBT people on the autism spectrum, which was deleted per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_31#Category:People_on_the_autism_spectrum as a non-defining intersection. The overall topic is notable, but individuals as the intersection of a specific disability and sexual orientation/identity doesn't really meet the higher bar of WP:egrs. I encourage the category creator to see if the category was previously created before they make more intersections with LGBT and disability. See for a similar ongoing argument for Lesbians with disabilities Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_26#Category:Lesbians_with_disabilities Mason (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but disperse in the tree of Category:People on the autism spectrum in the first place. I am not sure about the proposed merge target because I do not know if autism is generally considered to be a disability. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose/Keep I disagree that only identity+action are more defining than identity+identity, in fact I find autistic LGBT to be more defining than LGBT muderers (which one thing has nothing to do with each other, but since they are religioculturally/traditionally seen as sinful, then we have these guidelines). And as EGRS notes,
When making a new category, be sure there is substantial existing research on that category of people specific to the occupation in relation to their sexual orientation.
while making it unclear about identity+identity instead of occupation. And as you linked, the topic justifies it as notable. Actually, I find autistic LGBT to be more defining than LGBT with disability. --MikutoH talk! 23:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- also, isn't it the nominator responsible for searching old deletions to support their arguments? Because I found no previous deletions and decided to create, in my perception for the first time, the category. If I saw that it was deleted before, I would rethink it before creating it. but since that's not the case, I don't understand why you mentioned this fact. or do you mean that previous deletions justify recreation? --MikutoH talk! 00:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator linked to the previous discussion. As you can see the category name was slightly differently but the scope is exactly the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Repilies/Questions: What do you @MikutoH mean by identity+action versus identity+identity? Because the requirement for intersections is the same per WP:EGRS. The bar is set high to avoid tokenization and stereotypes. Most of the categories that meet the threshold for egrs is indentity+occupation. It's a much higher bar to cover three way intersections: being LGBT, being disabled, and the specific kind of disability. It isn't about what you find to be defining. It's what scholarly sources say is defining. We are also running afoul of final rung. Mason (talk) 23:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I was talkibg about this sentence:
a person's actions are more important than, for example, their race or sexual orientation.
. And Wikipedia:Consensus can change. --MikutoH talk! 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was talkibg about this sentence:
- also, isn't it the nominator responsible for searching old deletions to support their arguments? Because I found no previous deletions and decided to create, in my perception for the first time, the category. If I saw that it was deleted before, I would rethink it before creating it. but since that's not the case, I don't understand why you mentioned this fact. or do you mean that previous deletions justify recreation? --MikutoH talk! 00:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject LGBT studies, WikiProject Disability, and WikiProject Autism have been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 23:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - I think this intersection does qualify as defining for the purposes of EGRSD (in part because it is a notable intersection that I think several reliable sources discuss the incidence of and connection between in-depth), though my opposition is weak purely because I'm concerned maybe there's some nuance of the guideline I'm not understanding here. - Purplewowies (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People on the autism spectrum[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:People on the autism spectrum to Category:Autistic people or People with autism
- Nominator's rationale:
The main article was moved and also based on this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 00:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The current name strikes an acceptable compromise between person-first or identity first language that neither of proposed renames addresses.[5][6][7][8] Furthermore, the main article was moved to Autism, which doesn't solve the problem for people on the spectrum. Mason (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also relevant are the two CFDs for this category. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 22#Category:People with Asperger syndrome/on the autism spectrum and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 31#Category:People on the autism spectrum Mason (talk) 00:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Autism has been notified of this discussion. --MikutoH talk! 23:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, this is really a WP:COMMONNAME type of discussion. I think "people on the autism spectrum" has become the common name by now but I would welcome if someone would come up with relevant statistics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose:"on the autism spectrum" is terminology that has significant support amongst autistic people themselves [9] and is at the very least terminology that few people hate.[10] The preference for identity-first language is not as uniform as it's made out to be, and "on the autism spectrum" represents a fairly non-controversial compromise. Its only drawback is that it's not as popular. In academic research, I'm assuming it's because they tend to use the full name "autism spectrum disorder". Google Scholar search results of the past 10 years yields this: "people with autism" -> 29.300 results, "autistic people" -> 16.900 results, "people on the autism spectrum" -> 5.590 results, "people with autism spectrum disorder" -> 12.200 results, "people with ASD" -> 17.000 results. On Google Trends, "autistic people" has overtaken "people with autism", and "people on the autism spectrum" ranks far beneath both of them.[11]
- Based on popularity (academic and common) and the fact that there is support among autistic people, I'm not completely opposed to changing it to "autistic people", but said support is far from uniform so I'm hesitant about a hard line stance. TheZoodles (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
May 29[edit]
Category:Closed churches in New York (state)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, unclear what's the difference between closed/former Mason (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. My guess is that the distinction refers to demolished versus repurposed, but even if so I agree they can be merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Works about same-sex sexuality[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Works about same-sex sexuality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Works about LGBT topics
- Propose merging Category:Non-fiction books about same-sex sexuality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBT non-fiction books
- Propose merging Category:Documentary films about same-sex sexuality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Documentary films about LGBT topics
- Nominator's rationale: Parent category splitted. Should them be merged or renamed then? --MikutoH talk! 22:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Reasons I believe this should be renamed at least: the term is imprecise and isn't widely used, different from "same-sex attraction" or "same-sex marriage". It's also cisnormative. Could it be named same-gender? I'm not sure. --MikutoH talk! 23:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Though I believe it's grouping non-gender LGBT identities, but it's also separating transgender from LGBT sexual orientations in Category:Works about LGBT topics. --MikutoH talk! 23:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Reasons I believe this should be renamed at least: the term is imprecise and isn't widely used, different from "same-sex attraction" or "same-sex marriage". It's also cisnormative. Could it be named same-gender? I'm not sure. --MikutoH talk! 23:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It was the wrong choice to "split"/merge the parent category too.★Trekker (talk) 23:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question. What is the alternative proposal? I really don't understand what the nominator is hoping to accomplish with the merge/rename without a target or proposal. Mason (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am assuming that the intended merge target is the LGBT parent category, but it would be helpful if User:MikutoH would add this to the nomination explicitly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question. What is the alternative proposal? I really don't understand what the nominator is hoping to accomplish with the merge/rename without a target or proposal. Mason (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the rationale isn't very relevant because Category:Homosexuality still exists. The question is more if we should rename Category:Homosexuality to Category:Same-sex sexuality or, the other way around, whether we should rename Category:Works about same-sex sexuality to Category:Works about homosexuality. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose completely unnecessary, and to be honest somewhat offensive. "Same-sex sexuality" and "LGBT topics" are not synonyms. Homosexuality, bisexuality and being transgender aren't all the same thing. The rationale
It's also cisnormative
doesn't really apply either, all four terms in the acronym LGBT are cisnormative. Adam Black talk • contribs 08:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Film posters by country[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Afghan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Albanian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:American film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Argentine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Austrian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Brazilian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:British film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Burmese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Danish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:French film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:German film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Greek film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Icelandic film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indonesian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Iranian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Italian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Japanese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Macedonian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Malaysian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Maldivian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Mexican film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:New Zealand film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Nigerian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Pakistani film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Peruvian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Philippine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Polish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Portuguese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Singaporean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South African film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South Korean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Spanish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Swedish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Turkish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Uruguayan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The current category names are ambiguous as to whether they're, for example, posters of Swedish films or film posters from Sweden. I'd recommend renaming to "Film posters of Sweden" like the Commons categories. hinnk (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Film posters made in Sweden?
- Film posters hung in Sweden?
- Posters of films made in Sweden?
- Posters of films made by Swedish crew members or crew members from Sweden?
- Film posters that show "Sweden" (e.g. its landscapes or symbols associated with Sweden)?
- Film posters made or owned by the government of Sweden?
- Poster of films made by the government of Sweden?
- Etc.
- All of these are more or less reasonable interpretations of Film posters of Sweden. I'm glad you're trying to clarify the catnames, but I don't see it getting much clearer. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Both en:Category:Film posters by language and commons:Category:Film posters by country already better manage this ambiguity, so it does seem like it can be clearer than it is. Even a decision not to rename but develop a consensus on what the subcategories mean and add that to Category:Film posters by language would make it clearer. I don't think being pedantic is helpful here. hinnk (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Comment, regardless of renaming I do not think this is very ambiguous. Posters of Swedish films (i.e. in other countries than Sweden) would be a rather odd reading. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose; I don't think its very ambiguous. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support matching commonscat.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ludomusicology[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains only the main subject and one other article. The subject is rather niche anyway. It is very unlikely that it will ever contain more. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Video game music. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, it seems helpful to keep the articles in Category:Video game music. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:User cu-N[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Nonsense category created by locked account, nobody can be a native speaker of Old Church Slavonic which is an ancient language no longer actively spoken. Partial refiling of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Babel category enforcement which closed as no consensus due to zero participation (I decided the rest of that nomination is not worth caring about) * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Besides both user accounts in the category are blocked. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I deleted the second one as a G5, so now it's down to one account. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Babel category duplicates[edit]
Propose merging or reverse merging with redirect
- Category:User jv-x-bms to Category:User map-bms
- Category:User nap-x-tara to Category:User roa-tara
- Category:User nrm to Category:User nrf (the description of the former category is wrong, these are actually the same language)
- Category:User nds-NL to Category:User nds-nl
Nominator's rationale Refiling Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Babel category duplicates, which was closed as no consensus due to insufficient participation (nobody other than me and the creator commented). * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: in the previous discussion, creator clearly misunderstood what was being proposed. Support at least Category:User nrm to Category:User nrf. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose deleting "nrf": this is the ONLY correct language code for Norman (some Wikimedia wikis has used "nrm" for Norman, but they are wrong as this code is for a completely unrelated Asian language: Narom; this is wa wellknown historic error made by Wikimedia that forgot to check valid codes in ISO 639 or IANA databases; if it was created today, using "nrm" for Norman would be rejected, "nrf" is assigned since years in ISO 639). "NRM" is already marked has need migration to "NRF" to leave the place for Narom. Wikidata rejects the use of "nrm" for Norman in its data (it is still accepted only in interwiki links to existing Norman Wikipedia, as long as it is not fully renamed).
The description of the category is perfectly correct: these are NOT at all the same language.
In the mean time, Narom users should be able to contribute and speak about their language, even if for now they cannot have their own localized wiki, so they have to use some other projects spaces in other localized wikis or international wikis, for example in Wiktionary and Wikidata where their vocabulary is being fed already with "nrm". In HTML/SVG/XML markup the lang attribute used is already "nrf" for Norman. In Wiktionary editions, and in Wikidata, Norman terms are tagged and indexed with "nrf", not ""nrm". Do not confuse legacy Wikimedia interwiki codes (which are bound to Internet subdomain names, without being restricted to use only one language or script, even if there's a default language or script) with standard language codes for identifying any contents. verdy_p (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- The proposal is not to delete nrf, so it is no use opposing that. The proposal is to move Norman-speaking entries from nrm to nrf. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:User mul[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:User mul (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:User mul-N (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale I attempted this exact outcome at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#User mul, which got closed as no consensus due to zero participation. My rationale there was:
Way back in April 2022, I nominated this category for deletion, claiming
Recreation of category previously deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 30#Category:Multilingual Wikipedians under a technically accurate but nonsensical name containing only one user who has been inactive since 2007. [...]. The creator requested that[I] amend the babel stuff so that, which can now be done by editing MediaWiki:Babel-category-override, so the original nomination for deletion is once again valid. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC){{#Babel:en|mul}}
no longer populates a category.
Maybe the third time's the charm. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, entirely redundant, Wikipedians who speak multiple languages can indicate the level of the various languages they speak. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Schools in the Garden State Association of Christian Schools[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. No main page for the group that i could find. Mason (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, mere membership of an association is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish summer camps in Michigan[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Triple merge, only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBT non-profit organizations in Canada[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category upmerge for now (probably for ever). non-profit organizations in Canada doesn't exist as a category and neither does LGBT non-profit organizations. Mason (talk) 12:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but target should probably be Category: LGBT organizations based in Canada ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Île-de-France[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Île-de-France to Category:Military history of Île-de-France
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", but such a category does not yet exist for Île-de-France, so we might as well rename this one. NLeeuw (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping @Marcocapelle: what do you think? NLeeuw (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and re-parent per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only if all categories in Category:Battles by location in France are renamed; it's misleading to have that category but only include an arbitrary selection of regions. Peter James (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: do you have any objections to me relisting this discussion and tagging the rest of the Category:Battles by location in France tree? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster, No, you'd be doing a great favour, merci monsieur! NLeeuw (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: do you have any objections to me relisting this discussion and tagging the rest of the Category:Battles by location in France tree? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Battles by location in France and its subcategories.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes to Category:Military history of Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Bourgogne-Franche-Comté to Category:Military history of Bourgogne-Franche-Comté
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Centre-Val de Loire to Category:Military history of Centre-Val de Loire
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Hauts-de-France to Category:Military history of Hauts-de-France
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Nouvelle-Aquitaine to Category:Military history of Nouvelle-Aquitaine
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Occitanie to Category:Military history of Occitania (administrative region)
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Pays de la Loire to Category:Military history of Pays de la Loire
- Propose merging Category:Battles in Corsica to Category:Military history of Corsica
- Propose deleting Category:Battles by location in France
- I'll let Nederlandse Leeuw add a rationale. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale (additional nominees): WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", unless such a category does not yet exist, in which case they are proposed to be renamed to "Military history of X" instead. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany is a closely connected discussion which has already put this into practice.
- (PS: Category:Battles by location in France could be Upmerged to Category:Military history of France by location instead of Deleted for logging purposes, but it doesn't make much difference. Category:Battles by location in Germany is proposed to be merged into Category:Military history of Germany by state, but such a category does not exist for France "by region" yet, so it could better be created than trying to recycle Category:Battles by location in France). NLeeuw (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and re-parent all per nom. This is my second vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update Category:Battles by location in Germany closed as merge/delete as nominated. It would now make sense if this Category:Battles by location in France discussion would follow that precedent, and have the same outcome, as HouseBlaster and I are proposing. NLeeuw (talk) 07:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:New South Wales rugby union team players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The two are covering the same team and should be merged. Especially as New South Wales rugby union team redirects to the Waratahs. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. This was the same side. Where is the dividing line drawn? If 1995, as I suspect, that is entirely arbitrary, there was Super 10 (rugby union) and Super 6 Rugby which were predecessor competitions run on exactly the same lines as early Super Rugby. All players at the Waratahs now, as pre-95, have a theoretical club side in the Shute Shield they can play for when not selected. Skeene88 (talk) 08:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Perhaps there's a better way, but this was an attempt on my part to differentiate between the professional Super Rugby era iteration of the team and the historical side. This would be in the same way rugby league has Category:New South Wales Rugby League State of Origin players as a subcat of Category:New South Wales rugby league team players (though both are captured in the one article). Maybe an option would be to move Category:New South Wales Waratahs players to Category:New South Wales Waratahs (Super Rugby) players? Jevansen (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its still the same team @Rugbyfan22: because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in the 1920's. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)- Merge and listify, I imagine readers would be interested in the players of the pre-1995 era so that seems the easiest way (maybe with a minimum appearance threshold if stats are adequately held to facilitate that?); for the Category, does seem to be a continuous entity so only one cat needed. Crowsus (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on listifying?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 11:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Newspapers published in Western Australia by region[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Goldfields-Esperance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Pilbara newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Pilbara region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:South West Newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the South West region of Western Australia
- Nominator's rationale: I'm proposing renaming these categories for consistency with the following existing categories:
- Category:Newspapers of the Mid West region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Peel region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me. Adam Black talk • contributions 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Western Australia notified of this discussion. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I have now created the categories for the remaining three Western Australian regions,
- Category:Newspapers of the Gascoyne region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Great Southern region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Kimberley region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Therefore six of the ten subcategories now follow the same naming scheme. I would also like to add another category to this nomination:
- The rationale is the same as for the original proposal. Adam Black talk • contributions 07:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Adam Black t • c 23:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all to Category:Newspapers published in Western Australia, apart from Perth there is no reason for diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black t • c 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think Perth should be a standout. My point is that only if there would be as much content in every category as in Perth's category it would be worthwhile to diffuse. But that is not the case. The current microcategories are merely a hindrance for easy navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black t • c 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- strong objection to most of this discussions assumptions. As creator of the microcategories in discussion here, they were created in the presumption that the project of the National Library and ALIA to support each state library system to improve content about Australian newspapers state by state to help create content for material in Trove would be something that would be expanded upon regularly. The result in other states is highly variable in quality and organisation - in the Western Australian content there was a library employee who edited on WA content, and there was every hope that there would be followed on editing for more newspapers for each region than is being discussed here. The subsequent lack of followon editing is a case throughout wikipedia, this is not an orphan. I believe how sensible Adam might think he is in wanting to qualify the regional title, or Marco in being a category worker extraordinaire (and that should be noted is much appreciated ), the lack of background always astounds me here at CFD. I think that for the purposes of what the original project had intended, will be made much more of a hell of a mess and difficult to navigate the regional distinctions of western australian geographical range, and how it also affects understanding of the original reasons for the regional separation. As a consequence, I strongly object to reducing to one category, as it interferes with a project that would have increased valid items for each subcategory. As for the renaming - it is paradoxical, in view of many australian places have qualifier state names, whereas here there is no need.JarrahTree 01:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 11:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:West London Synagogue[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only has people who are affiliated with the Synagogue. I guess it would fall under WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest it be renamed as People associated with West London Synagogue. 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Headhitter (talk • contribs)
- Delete, it is a case of overcategorization by association, WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination and Marcocapelle. Categorising every individual by the religious buildings they're associated with would be incredibly tedious, as well as needless overcategorisation. Adam Black talk • contribs 14:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the East Frisians[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles involving East Frisia
- Alt proposal 1: renaming Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Military history of East Frisia
- Alt proposal 2: merging Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles in Lower Saxony / Category:Military history of Lower Saxony (pending outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany)
- Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy rename.
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- Added alt proposals. Rationales: Alt proposal 1 seeks to save this as an East Frisia military history category, but it has the "Lorraine" problem, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 13#Category:Military history of Lorraine; East Frisia is not an administrative region in our times. Alt proposal 2 seeks to look for the nearest modern-day administrative region that encompasses the territories associated with East Frisia, and that is the state of Lower Saxony. There is currently already a discussion going on about renaming Category:Battles in Lower Saxony to Category:Military history of Lower Saxony (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany), so whatever the outcome of that will be is proposed to be the merge target. @Marcocapelle: FYI. NLeeuw (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Prefer alt2, not all battles are clearly in a former East Frisia state and nom already made clear why alt1 is not a good idea. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt2 is more accurate for currrent content.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Welcome back! Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin. Aldij (talk) 08:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support per nomination. Although I'm not sure whether it'd be entirely accurate given Category:Jewish British writers is in the category. The term "Jewish" encompasses both a religion and ethnicity. Converts to Judaism aren't necessarily ethnically Jewish. Would a rename to Category:British writers by ethnicity or religion be more appropriate? Adam Black talk • contribs 15:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Jewish subcategories may always be under both "by religion" and "by ethnicity" parents if they exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin. Aldij (talk) 08:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Politicians by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent
- Nominator's rationale: Follow up of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent and many other similar discussions. Aldij (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename — to eliminate "ethnic" "origin". Although, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC) - Rename per nom. Anonimu (talk) 09:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wars involving Frisia[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Wars involving Frisia to Category:Wars involving the Frisians
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, in many of these wars there wasn't a clear Frisia state. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral I'm not convinced the status quo nor the proposal are very tenable. I neither favour nor oppose. NLeeuw (talk) 21:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Assorted Jelly Beans albums[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Both entries are redirects. The band is also a redirect, and doesn't appear to be notable. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No useful information provided in target; no aid in navigation. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gonanes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only the parent compound, which is alredy in Category:Steroids. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Chinese-language-only video games[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Chinese-language-only video games to Category:China-exclusive video games
- Nominator's rationale: Some of these titles may be available be it digitally or physically outside of China. But I don't follow that logic. Merge. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This merger makes no sense. Taiwan exists. There have been vidoegames that were made for Taiwan or Hong Kong (pre-1997) that were only in Chinese. If this is properly populated, it should not contain just PRC-exclusive games. -- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 06:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I suppose I will withdraw my will the delete this category because of that logic. While Japanese, English, get deleted for some other reasons. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete with parent (below) — Insufficiently specified. Which language? Mandarin? Cantonese?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose: "Chinese-language" here refers to the Chinese language as a whole, including all variations of Chinese such as Cantonese. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Written Chinese is the ostensibly the same, so if there is no spoken Chinese, then it's just Chinese -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 22:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Video games by language[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The reason why I'm deleting these categories are only for video games supported in a single language, and none of these categories are fully-populated either. More importantly many titles only available in a single language can alternatively be found in Category:Region-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: I changed my mind, I am keeping other categories still, but may need something else to do. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There are several multiregional languages, such as English, French (France, Canada, French Africa, French Polynesia, French Caribbean), Portuguese (Brazil, Portugal, Macao), Spanish (Spain, Latin America, Philippines), Russian (North Asia, Central Asia, Europe), Arabic (North Africa, West Asia, East Africa, Central Asia, Islamic World), Hebrew (Jewish World) -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, this is a container category. Its fate is conditional on what happens with the subcategories, which have also been nominated on this page. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:English-language-only video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I am deleting this category along with other Video games by language categories, (expect Chinese-language-only video games, which will merge with China-exclusive video games). Reason: Many English-only titles are otherwise located in Category:North-America-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this category can still stay anyway. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 22:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Australia is not a multilingual region, indigenously developed games would be in English, same with New Zealand. Both are not in North America. Elon Musk's game Blastar was developed in South Africa in English only. So English isn't a language that is restricted to North America. Many games for the Acorn or the BBC were developed only in English and were mostly released in Britain and Australia -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Hindkowan descent to Category:People of Hindkowan descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Kashmiri descent to Category:People of Kashmiri descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Pashtun descent to Category:People of Pashtun descent
- Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in Category:Emigrants from British India and Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which option?
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Relisting comment: Same question: which option?
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- If nobody else reacts, I would prefer option B over option A. Note again that this is just about a single article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all (thus option B) per nom. --Aldij (talk) 08:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now. Mason (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi FieldMarine (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Merge as nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sugar[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Sugar to Category:Sugars
- Nominator's rationale: They are too similar MRTFR55 (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- The names are too similar, ok, but the content isn't. It is clearly a topic category versus a set category. However, Category:Sugars may be renamed e.g. to Category:Types of sugar in order to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree they are different categories, and Category:Sugar is consistent with the main article. Peter James (talk) 01:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Sugars. Comments on a potential rename of the plural category would be appreciated!
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- Agree Category:Sugar is ok. Fine with rename of Category:Sugars to "Types of S". Johnbod (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- As creator, support rename of Category:Sugars to Category:Types of sugar. Don't forget to fix the commonscat, as that remains Sugars. It is very sad that folks misunderstand the difference between topic and set categories.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Japanese-language-only video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There is only a single article in this category, first things first. Second things second, literally every single video game that's only available in the Japanese language is already located in the pre-existing category Japan-exclusive video games. You see, Japan really only speak Japanese and not much else. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 21:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- Speedy close, Delet it now. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute to Category:Scholars of the Ayodhya dispute
- Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject Mason (talk) 04:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: same question: rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- Delete per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete — I'm not sure where any listification would be placed.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Meal planning apps[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only a single article inside. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, it might not contain any more articles QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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