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This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate, however, the case filer must participate in all aspects of the dispute or the matter will be considered failed. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups. Noticeboards should not be a substitute for talk pages. Editors are expected to have had extensive discussion on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to work out the issues before coming to DRN. Do you need assistance? Would you like to help? Request dispute resolution If we can't help you, a volunteer will point you in the right direction. Discussions should be civil, calm, concise, neutral, objective and as nice as possible. This noticeboard is for content disputes only. Comment on the contributions, not the contributors. Off-topic or uncivil behavior may garner a warning, improper material may be struck-out, collapsed, or deleted, and a participant could be asked to step back from the discussion. We cannot accept disputes that are already under discussion at other content or conduct dispute resolution forums or in decision-making processes such as Requests for comments, Articles for deletion, or Requested moves. 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Being a volunteer on this page is not formal in any respect, and it is not necessary to have any previous dispute resolution experience. However, having a calm and patient demeanor and a good knowledge of Wikipedia policies and guidelines is very important. It's not mandatory to list yourself as a volunteer to help here, anyone is welcome to provide input. Volunteers should remember: Volunteers should gently and politely help the participant fix problems. Suggest alternative venues if needed. Try to be nice and engage the participants. Volunteers do not have any special powers, privileges, or authority in DRN or in Wikipedia, except as noted here. Volunteers who have had past dealings with the article, subject matter, or with the editors involved in a dispute which would bias their response must not act as a volunteer on that dispute. 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Case		Created		Last volunteer edit		Last modified
Title	Status	User	Time	User	Time	User	Time
Robert (doll)	Closed	Gabriellemcnell (t)	3 days, 5 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	2 days, 18 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	2 days, 18 hours
Undetectable.ai	Closed	Sesame119 (t)	3 days, 2 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	2 days, 18 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	2 days, 18 hours
Ibn Battuta	Closed	Jihanysta (t)	3 days,	Robert McClenon (t)	2 days, 18 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	2 days, 18 hours
Eurovision Song Contest 2024 - Israel	Closed	PicturePerfect666 (t)	3 days,	Robert McClenon (t)	2 days, 17 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	2 days, 17 hours
Aidi	Closed	Traumnovelle (t)	2 days, 5 hours	Robert McClenon (t)	1 days, 22 hours	Traumnovelle (t)	1 days, 18 hours
Maratha Confederacy	New	Mohammad Umar Ali (t)	9 hours	None	n/a	Mohammad Umar Ali (t)	9 hours
Elissa Slotkin	New	Andrew.robbins (t)	4 hours	None	n/a	Drmies (t)	1 hours

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Current disputes

Robert (doll)

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by Gabriellemcnell on 18:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Closed discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Robert (doll) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved Gabriellemcnell (talk · contribs) LuckyLouie (talk · contribs) Donald Albury (talk · contribs) Dispute overview I, Gabriellemcnell, have been attempting to update Robert (doll)'s page with relevant and factual information that is not currently on the page. The information the page is currently missing has to do with Robert's historical origins, cultural context, cultural impact, and exposure in popular culture. The edits I published were backed by independent sources multiple times where necessary. I received permission and primary source documentation on the updated information regarding Robert through the Key West Art and Historical Society, who are the foremost experts and rights holders of Robert himself. Moments after successfully publishing the edits to Robert (doll)'s page, user @LuckyLouie had reverted it and notified me of this through the talk page on my account, @Gabriellemcnell. I reviewed his reasonings for the revert and attempted to reason with him through my talk page. The next edit I published was removing the sources that did not comply with the FRIND guidelines. By removing the fringe sources, which were LuckyLouie's main concern, I thought the page would stay updated as it complies with the necessary citations for the factual information within. User LuckyLouie took down the page again, within 24 hours, and began attacking my editing character on my talk page. I refrained from further edits to stop any edit warring from happening. I continued my attempts at reasoning with LuckyLouie but they were not able to specify what the exact problem with my initial edits were. User DonaldAlbury then joined the conversation on my talk page and attacked my editing character as well. I have tried to reason with DonaldAlbury and request specific problems to no avail. I do not know what else to do as Robert's page is still out of date and inaccurate. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gabriellemcnell How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? I'd like to publish the original edits I made to Robert's page that have since been reverted. If I try to publish the page again with these edits, these users will revert it. Robert's page, once updated, needs to be protected or the users involved need to specify what their issue is or the users involved need to be restricted in reverting edits to Robert's page Summary of dispute by LuckyLouie Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by DonaldAlbury Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Gabriellemcnell discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Undetectable.ai

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by Sesame119 on 21:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC).

Closed discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. User @Sesame119 appears to be a Wikipedia:Single-purpose account. As can be seen here, this user created a talk page post after filing this dispute. One month ago, this user, who has no other edits then this single one he is warring over, Was warned a month ago for edit warring and improper editing. Since this warning, the user hasn't made a single constructive edit outside of the same controversial and unreliably sourced edit they made when they first created their account.[1] While the first few times could be overlooked in good faith, it seems clear to me that this user exists only to add this specific edit to this page, and despite being warned last month NOT to include blacklisted/unreliable sources, they did so again. If an admin comes across this noticeboard, I'm requesting that this user be temporarily blocked for disruptive editing, so that they can take some time to read about WP policy, specifically, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research. Comintell (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC) Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Undetectable.ai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved Sesame119 (talk · contribs) Comintell (talk · contribs) Dispute overview I have attempted to add a "controversies" section to this page on several occasions over the last several months. The user "Comintell" has instantly changed my content back multiple times. They seem to have a vested interest in this company not receiving any attention that could be perceived as negative which constitutes a bias not in line with Wikipedia's values. Their claim is that my sources are inadequate despite being from government websites and articles mentioned on other Wikipedia pages respectively. I don't want to engage in an "edit war" with this user and they have failed to respond to any of my communications explaining my reasoning sent in response to their removals of my content. Please let me know if this user could be kept from editing this page further or simply kept from removing my content which is well sourced and legitimate. Thank you. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sesame119#c-Comintell-20240520235300-May_2024 How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? Ask this user to engage in a dialogue with me since they seem intent on removing certain verifiable information. I would like to understand their genuine reasoning. Or alternatively remove editing power of this user from the Undetectable.ai Wikipedia page. Summary of dispute by Comintell Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Undetectable.ai discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ibn Battuta

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by Jihanysta on 23:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC).

Closed discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Ibn Battuta (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved Jihanysta (talk · contribs) Dispute overview 1.Clarity for Modern Readers: The current description uses “Tangier, Marinid Sultanate” and “Maghrebi traveler.” While this is historically significant, it may not be clear to most modern readers. Using “Tangier, Morocco” and “Moroccan traveler” could provide more immediate understanding. 2.Historical Context: While it’s important to use terms that modern readers will understand, it’s also crucial to provide historical context. We can mention that during Ibn Battuta’s time, Morocco was known as “al-Maghrib al-Aqsa” within the broader Maghreb region. This provides both clarity and historical accuracy. 3.Standard Practices: Wikipedia typically describes the birthplace and death of historical figures in relation to current countries, not the ruling entity of the time. This is especially relevant when the entity, in this case, the “Marinid Sultanate”, no longer exists. While Tangier and Marrakech are well known cities in Morocco. Aligning the article with this practice would maintain consistency across Wikipedia. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? [[1]] How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? it would be best to involve an administrator to help mediate this dispute and ensure that the most accurate information is presented on the page. Ibn Battuta discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Eurovision Song Contest 2024 - Israel

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by PicturePerfect666 on 23:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC).

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Eurovision Song Contest 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved PicturePerfect666 (talk · contribs) The Satanator (talk · contribs) Yoyo360 (talk · contribs) ImStevan (talk · contribs) Super Goku V (talk · contribs) Bugghost (talk · contribs) Piccco (talk · contribs) F1xesc (talk · contribs) Jjj1238 (talk · contribs) Ceriumlanthanum (talk · contribs) Kingsif (talk · contribs) Hhl95 (talk · contribs) Vkb123 (talk · contribs) Edwin of Northumbria (talk · contribs) Spa-Franks (talk · contribs) JohnR1Roberts (talk · contribs) Nickpunk (talk · contribs) MoreofaGlorifiedPond,Really... (talk · contribs) IJA (talk · contribs) Tonyb1989 (talk · contribs) HypeBoy (talk · contribs) Uamaol (talk · contribs) Kapitan110295 (talk · contribs) Dispute overview There is an ongoing heated dispute over the level of detail given in the main article related to the coverage of Israel at this year's contest. There is a lot of want to include a lot of detail about the participation of Israel from including it prominently in the lede, to having multiple detailed sections in the main article. There is a need to ensure that policies on neutrality, balance, recentism, excessive detail, etc. are followed. There is a want to include based on the amount of media coverage and a want to include things unrelated to the contest in and of itself. The article is in danger of becoming not an article on the contest as a whole but an article on Israel's participation with some other things on the side. There is already an article specifically for Israel at the Evisovion Song Contest 2024. There is a need to avoid having a duplicate. There seems to be a push to include a lot more information on Israel than is warranted simply because some media outlets spilt a lot of ink writing about it, some people shouted very loudly through various means, and the Middle East conflict seems to drown out everything else it touches. The article needs to resolve how to include Israel while still maintaining focus on the actual Eurovision Song contest 2024, all the while remembering there is a child article specifically on Israel at this year's contest. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 23:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC) How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024#Do we need "the inclusion of Israel" paragraph on the top page? Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024#New article Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024#Intro paragraph of incidents Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024#Removal of content Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024#Sort controversies in alphabetical or chronological? Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024#Israel campaign for votes Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024#A biased POV about Israel How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? There is a need for outside parties who are uninvolved to look at the totality of the discussions taking place related to Israel. There are a lot of Points of view, and a lot of details wanting to be included. There is also a lot of recentism being banded about. This is causing serious bogging down and disputes over what to include and not include. Help is needed sorting this through, with a strong focus on what is an is not encyclopaedic and what is and is not following the Wikipedia pillars. Guidance and reminders of what Wikipedia is not are needed. Help to sort what goes in the main article and what goes in the child article. Summary of dispute by The Satanator Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. I agree with PicturePerfect666, the article shouldn't be about Israel primarily. The Satanator (talk) 03:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Summary of dispute by Yoyo360 Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by ImStevan Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Super Goku V Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Bugghost Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Piccco Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by F1xesc Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Jjj1238 Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Ceriumlanthanum Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Kingsif Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Hhl95 Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Vkb123 Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Edwin of Northumbria Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. COMMENT I generally oppose the creation of another article, and on balance, opinion would seem to be weighted against it. I can see there are persuasive views on both sides, but my own is that the article should pick out the most significant facts, and surely the inclusion of the section in question is far more important than, say, a table relating to the bidding cities. My biggest concern is that in creating a separate article, there is a risk that future readers will disregard it entirely. I've been watching the ESC since 1976, and there have been very few years as controversial or politically charged as this one. I feel the main article should reflect this. (EofN (talk) 04:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)) Summary of dispute by Spa-Franks Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by JohnR1Roberts Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Nickpunk Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by MoreofaGlorifiedPond,Really... Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by IJA Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Comment I'm unsure why I've been included in this so-called dispute. I've not said anything whatsoever in regards to Israel. I simply said that I don't think that there should be a separate article re controversies (for those unfamiliar with the subject, there are controversies that had nothing to do with Israel), as it could lead to POV FORKING, and I stand by that belief. Having revisitedtge talk page, I really don't think there is any dispute to be noted. IJA (talk) 23:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC) Summary of dispute by Tonyb1989 Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by HypeBoy Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by Uamaol Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Comment I've been incorrectly added to this like User:IJA. It appears that constituents of discussions of suggested article moves/creations relating to Eurovision 2024 controversies have been thrown into something that has to do with Israel. I am involved in the former but not the latter. My contribution to the article surrounds flags, particularly the banning on non-binary and CoE/EU flags. On the talk page I support the move of the controversy section to a new article. Nothing to do with Israel. UaMaol (talk) 02:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Summary of dispute by Kapitan110295 Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Eurovision Song Contest 2024 discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Aidi

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Filed by Traumnovelle on 17:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC).

Closed discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Aidi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Users involved Traumnovelle (talk · contribs) Skitash (talk · contribs) M.Bitton (talk · contribs) Dispute overview There is dispute over whether the origin of the breed of dog (Aidi) should be listed as Morocco or North Africa/Maghreb. I initially reverted the article due to a slow edit war over this, it was later reverted back. I have tried to discuss it on the talk page and have provided multiple reliable sources that state the origin of the breed in Morocco. The other party to the dispute has been unwilling to help. How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here? Talk:Aidi#May_2024 How do you think we can help resolve the dispute? Help to provide consensus on whether the origin should be listed as Morocco or North Africa/Maghreb. Summary of dispute by Traumnovelle M.Bitton changed the origin parameter in the infobox to state 'North Africa' instead of Morocco. This is despite it being listed as originating in Morocco by the FCI and several published sources: [2] [3] [4] Summary of dispute by Skitash Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Summary of dispute by M.Bitton Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker. Aidi discussion Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary. Volunteer Note - The filing editor has not notified the other editors on their user talk pages. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC) That is incorrect: [5], [6] Traumnovelle (talk) 04:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Maratha Confederacy

– New discussion.

Filed by Mohammad Umar Ali on 13:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Maratha Confederacy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Mohammad Umar Ali (talk · contribs)
• PadFoot2008 (talk · contribs)
• Rahio1234 (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

About territorial peak of an empire and what information to be included in the into para(s) of the article and what not to be included.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Talk:Maratha_Confederacy#WP:RAJ_claim_misunderstood_by_Rawn3012 Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase#Maratha_Confederacy User_talk:Mohammad_Umar_Ali#May_2024

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

Plz see the WP:RS sources and take decision from a neutral point of view. Any article needs to have information of itself not others here in Maratha Confederacy article Mughals are discussed more in 1st para than the Marathas. Not much have been described about Marathas in intro paras even after so much information exist about them.

Summary of dispute by PadFoot2008

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Summary of dispute by Rahio1234

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Maratha Confederacy discussion

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Elissa Slotkin

– New discussion.

Filed by Andrew.robbins on 19:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Elissa Slotkin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Andrew.robbins (talk · contribs)
• Orca (talk · contribs)
• Drmies (talk · contribs)
• LegalSmeagolian (talk · contribs)
• Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk · contribs)
• JayBeeEll (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

Dispute as to the neutrality of characterizing Slotkin's "support of the strike" with a plain statement or quotes from reliable sources. No consensus from RfC leaves status quo in place, but status quo is seen as an inaccurate/slanted characterization by some participants in discussion.

How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

Talk:Elissa Slotkin#Labor Positions and the 2023 UAW strike, Talk:Elissa Slotkin#Request for Comment?

How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

A decision on whether the reliable sources characterize the quote, how they characterize the quote, and whether part of the quote should be included in the article.

Summary of dispute by Orca

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Summary of dispute by Drmies

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Oh I'll keep it brief: a few editors have been fighting to keep this trivial NOTNEWS material in here for months. It's a bit of nothing, apparently originally inserted by a sock of User:Thespeedoflightneverchanges. User:andrew.robbins is making this into a--I don't know what, something irritating, and I wonder what wise editors like User:Muboshgu or User:Courcelles think about this. Drmies (talk) 22:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by LegalSmeagolian

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I don't have anything to add outside of there is no consensus for anything, at this point I say just leave it out. Not saying this is good reasoning or that I agree that NOTNEWS applies, just that I don't think it is a big enough deal to keep pushing. Maybe have another RFC in a few months/years once more critical perspectives of her tenure and actions towards labor have been done. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Dcpoliticaljunkie

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Important context here is that this article has been the subject of repeated sock and meat puppetry with off-Wiki organizing being publicly admitted to (which resulted in even the talk page being ECP) with Cpotisch reporting that there's a team of editors who "hate Slotkin" attempting to push a POV here. Wrt this specific section of the article: it's been discussed ad nauseam and there's no consensus for the edit being suggested. Not sure how many venues this argument needs to be repeated in. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 22:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by JayBeeEll

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Elissa Slotkin discussion

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