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    May 16[edit]

    Wiki Portal:Albania missing?[edit]

    Hello! Ive noticed that every country seems to have their own portal. I then tried to search up Portal:Albania but nothing pops up. Was it deleted or yet to be made? If so how can it be created? Thank you so much! Arberian2444 (talk) 00:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Arberian2444: Many countries don't have portals. Portal:Albania was deleted at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Albania. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah ok thank you! Arberian2444 (talk) 00:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Very long list article advice[edit]

    Hello. Today I found the List of libraries in Australia. Among other issues, for some states it lists not only every library, but every single library sub-branch, which I feel counts as unnecessarily excessive per MOS:LONGSEQ. Most other library lists by country are smaller. After working on the article a bit (the Queensland public library section), I've realised even if I remove all the sub-branches, it will still be a very long list as there are libraries missing.

    The options I can see are:

    • Leave only items that have a Wikipedia article (I don't like this one as there seem to be notable ones without articles and I think the list may encourage articles to be made)
    • Split the list into by state (i.e. "Libraries in South Australia")
    • Split the libraries by type (i.e. Public Libraries in Australia")

    I had a look at other library and I can't see any pattern of how they're split. I appreciate any advice (including telling me the list is fine at its current size). Thank you a lot! -- NotCharizard 🗨 08:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reinstalling Wikipedia app.[edit]

    After years of use the Wikipedia app on my i phoneX max.s has stop[ped functioning.Phone screen reads "unable to install Wikipedia.Please try again later." My phone network provider,Tesco,have told me to contact you direct. 2A02:C7C:B530:2A00:859B:A21:5E23:6B9A (talk) 11:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    What iOS version are you using? Have you tried connecting to a public or home Wi-Fi and trying again from there? Got enough free storage space on your phone? — AP 499D25 (talk) 13:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello![edit]

    Hi, I am new to Wikipedia, can anybody give me any tips and tricks to help out here? Thanks :) LessHuman (talk) 12:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @LessHuman In a moment I'll add some content to your TalkPage, with suitable links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! LessHuman (talk) 12:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dark Mode?[edit]

    I logged on to Wikipedia this morning and the main page was on dark mode, which I thought was being developed and hadn't come out yet. Some pages are normal and some pages are dark.

    Does anyone know why.

    Thanks Tescomealdeal1 (talk) 12:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If you are using Vector 2022 skin, there is a dark mode beta trial going on right now, which is enabled through the "Beta features" tab in your preferences page (specifically, the "Accessibility for Reading" option). It's supposed to be opt-in though, so I'm not sure how yours got it enabled from the start. — AP 499D25 (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for letting me know, is there any way to keep accessibility for reading on but keep out of the dark mode test Tescomealdeal1 (talk) 13:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Look for an 'Appearance' menu at the right sidebar, the option to enable/disable it should be under "color" there. There's also an 'automatic' option which by the sounds of it is what's currently set. — AP 499D25 (talk) 13:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Request to see text of a deleted article[edit]

    Hiya! I'm a user from Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia currently writing an article about the Norwegian term skeiv, equivalent to the English term queer, and I see that there is a deleted article (presumably because it was written in a foreign language) here on English Wikipedia. I am curious if there is a way I can see the full text of this deleted article, simply to see if there's anything I can use in this new article on Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia, or if that's entirely out of the question. I previously had a peek at Wikipedia:REFUND, but I am not interested in having the article undeleted as a whole. I simply want to look at its previous contents. Is that possible? EdoAug (talk) 16:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @EdoAug: It was in Norwegian with a single revision by User:Xact who should be credited for attribution if it's used. I will mail a copy. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PrimeHunter: Thank you so much for the swift help! Sadly the content doesn't seem relevant enough for my article. Thank you for showing it to me, though! EdoAug (talk) 16:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @EdoAug: I would suggest that "skeiv" might not be the best name for an article about gay culture in Norway. Pertinent matter that's Norway-specific could be incorporated into existing articles, or alternatively, there could be separate articles which include "Norway" in the name (along the lines of "LGBTQ in Norway"). (Of course, you can also use redirects from "skeiv". Both of these approaches are generally pretty common. Fabrickator (talk) 07:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Fabrickator: This doesn't really seem relevant to the topic, which is already solved (I was sent the relevant text by e-mail). EdoAug (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Disclosure of Wikipedia account[edit]

    Hello, I want to disclose my a month old abandoned account, Please let me know if I just have to disclose it on my userpage or does it need any other process? Based Kashmiri (talk) 17:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:COMPSOCK suggests posting a note on the user page of each account indicating that they are alternative accounts for the same person. That should be fine even if the old account was not compromised. TSventon (talk) 18:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I got it, thanks.Based Kashmiri (talk) 18:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating Content on Wikipedia[edit]

    Are there any restrictions about who can create content on Wikipedia? For example, can someone create a Wiki page for/about themselves? 173.72.163.36 (talk) 20:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Blocked editors may not contribute. Would-be autobiographers must disclose that they're autobiographers. 126.233.190.8 (talk) 21:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And writing about yourself, while not forbidden, is strongly discouraged, and almost always turns out badly. ColinFine (talk) 03:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    DJVU help needed[edit]

    Resolved
    thumb with caption
         Using {{Plain image with caption}}
         Using {{Plain image with caption}}

    I want to add this Commons file to Xia Ji but have never dealt with DJVU formatting. Is it possible to add a caption? Thanks, ~~~~

    Keahapana (talk) 20:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Keahapana: I'm not aware of any differences between the formatting of DjVu and other files, apart form DjVu being a multipage format so you can specify the page number with |page= as you already did (PDF works the same). |frameless does not allow a displayed caption in the image syntax. The normal way to display images is |thumb. This image already has an internal border so thumb doesn't look so good but that's unrelated to being a DjVu file. {{Plain image with caption}} uses frameless and adds a caption outside the image syntax but it doesn't support |page= so you get the front page. I have shown a hack which adds |page=93 to the template output. It may be too hacky for mainspace use but I could add a proper page option to {{Plain image with caption}} if you want. The caption appears to be far below the image but it's actually not, the image just includes whitespace at the bottom. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PrimeHunter: Thank you very much for your quick and helpful reply. I've added the file here and here (a new article I'm finishing up). No, you're too modest and I think your hack is brilliant—more than satisficing for mainspace WP. Thanks also for teaching me how to spell DjVu. Best wishes, Keahapana (talk) 00:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Keahapana Like all files on Commons, that one can be modified there for re-use. Why not use the c:Commons:CropTool to trim the image so it has no border and less white space? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks, that's a good idea. Best wishes, Keahapana (talk) 20:28, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Insource help[edit]

    Resolved

    Hi! I am trying to find any pages which use the {{DrugTemplateNotice}} editnotice's CSS class selector. I am not great at insource stuff, so I would appreciate it if someone could check my work. Thanks! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Looks correct to me, I guess there just aren't any pages which use it. Tollens (talk) 21:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:DrugTemplateNotice?
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think he's asking about the CSS selector that the documentation of that template refers to, which wouldn't show up as a link. Tollens (talk) 21:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @HouseBlaster: The class is for use in CSS pages which can be searched with intitle:css You don't need insource for CSS pages. This search of all namespaces finds no uses. Your search omitted some namespaces where it might have been used. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, all! I have marked this as resolved. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Donation help[edit]

    Hello, i have been donating for many years but need to stop my monthly donation. I can not login. Reset password does not work. Can you please help me cancel my monthly automatic billing to paypal? 74.89.189.174 (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    We have nothing to do with the donation process, which is handled by the Wikimedia Foundation. Please direct inquiries to donate@wikimedia.org. 331dot (talk) 21:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you referring to a password for a Wikipedia account? 331dot (talk) 21:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. No login is required. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    May 17[edit]

    Richard Dawson (1855–1923)[edit]

    Please repair ref. number 3 - I cannot. Sorry 03:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

    As the error message says, {{Cite journal}} requires you to set the journal= parameter. However, after downloading the PDF, this appears to be a book and not a journal, so you should change it to {{Cite book}} instead. RudolfRed (talk) 03:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nope, I'm wrong. I read a little more and it seems it is a journal, so the fix is to add "journal=The Law Times" to the citation. RudolfRed (talk) 03:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Done. Cullen328 (talk) 03:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating a New Article that is currently a Redirect[edit]

    Hey so I just wanted to start up an article about the main character of this one manga as many other side characters have their own articles and it currently redirects to the manga's characters page. I've been searching but couldn't find a concrete answer so I was wondering if I can just create a new Draft article or would I have to make it somewhere else then when it's finished paste it into the redirect, effectively replacing it. Janotalt (talk) 03:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If you want to take the draft approach, then whoever accepts it can move it to replace the redirect. If you want to edit in the main article directly, you can do so (a 'redirect' is just a special string in an orginary page, so you can just replace that string with your actual article text). DMacks (talk) 04:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What DMacks says. But make sure that, even before you create the draft, you find enough reliable independent sources that discuss the character (see 42 for more about these) to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, because if you can't find the sources anything at all that you do on the project will be time wasted. ColinFine (talk) 14:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sandbox question[edit]

    For the first time ever, I put some stuff in my sandbox the other day. But as soon as I noticed the typical blue rectangle with Publish on it in the upper right I got cold feet that it meant what it does when editing articles. So I removed what I'd put into the sandbox and left.

    My question: if I click on Publish, is that going to publish my article for the world to see, or just save it in the sandbox? If it's just to save it in the sandbox, I think a different verb would be better, like simply Save. Augnablik (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Augnablik the answer is both. You are saving the content in your sandbox, and the world will be able to see it there. The word publish is there to warn you of the second aspect. TSventon (talk) 09:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, @TSventon, thanks. I see that what you said does make sense, as I think more carefully about it. I recall now that the sandbox is open to the public, though it’s probably unlikely that anyone will go there unless having a particular reason.
    I think the word Publish unnerved me for a moment and it seemed my sandbox would be more front and center than it really would have been. Augnablik (talk) 09:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Augnablik: Your sandbox and other userspace pages have noindex by default so they aren't indexed by external search engines like Google. Wikipedia's own search only searches mainspace (the encyclopedia articles) by default but users can choose to search other namespaces including userspace where your sandbox would appear. Sandbox edits show up in user contributions and recent changes like other edits. Everybody are able to see it, also logged out users, but there are probably very few who will. Don't place article categories on it. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Augnablik It says "publish" instead of "save" for legal reasons, to emphasize that all edits are public(even if some are harder to find than others). It used to say save, but Wikipedia's lawyers advised it be changed. It is confusing, but we have to deal with it. 331dot (talk) 10:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Multiple sites, “Civil Rights”.[edit]

    One site is classic the other dates the end of the movement before Martin Luther King was born. No mention of King or his Peace Prize. This may seem minor but is classic “Black History”. Please remove or rename the incorrect site. Does the software always allow multiple such sites? Alceb1999 (talk) 12:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If you feel that a particular article is missing some information, please raise your concern on the relevant article talk page, for example, Talk:Civil and political rights- which is about a broader field than the Civil Rights movement led by Dr. King. 331dot (talk) 13:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Alceb1999, Wikipedia is a worldwide project and civil rights is a worldwide issue. We should not focus excessively on the United States when covering worldwide matters. Civil Rights movement is the article that focuses on the US, and that article mentions King and his Nobel Peace Prize in its lead section. Cullen328 (talk) 18:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Tagging for missing information[edit]

    Is there a tag for indicating that an article is missing important information? Ingratis (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Template:Missing information. See also Wikipedia:Template index :-) Perception312 (talk) 13:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! Ingratis (talk) 18:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How do i decide for a certain word search to redirect to a certain article?[edit]

    How can I make it so that if someone searches or enters an article link to the name "Najib Khan Yousafzai", it redirects to the page Najib ad-Dawlah?
    RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 14:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. That is what a redirect page is for. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I went ahead and created the page as it is pretty clearly a valid redirect, all I had to do was enter #REDIRECT [[Najib ad-Dawlah]] onto the previously blank page at Najib Khan Yousafzai. It really is easy if you seer any other missing alternate names elsewhere. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I notice sometimes that when you click on a redirect thing, It takes you to a page where it shows you an arrow of where the page is redirected, usually when an article name move happens and you have to manually click it to go to the redirect.
    I don't want that to happen, in what situation is that a thing? RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 01:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As fa as I know, that would normally only happen if you clicked the backlink at the article you hgad been redirected to, or if there was some other issue with the redirect page itself, i.e. it was a current nominee for deletion. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @RevolutionaryPatriot: It happens if the link has redirect=no like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Najib_Khan_Yousafzai&redirect=no. Wikilinks like [[Najib Khan Yousafzai]] never adds that but the interface does in some situations, and some templates and editors do it on purpose when they want you to see the redirect page. It would be possible to make a script which bypasses this and takes you to the target instead but then it would become difficult to edit the redirect or view its page history when that's what you want. There is one situation where a wikilink can lead to displaying a redirect page: Double redirects. Wikipedia:Example of a double redirect follows the first redirect to Wikipedia:Double redirect but then stays there. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Image on "Wendy Beckett" page[edit]

    A few years ago someone changed the picture on Sister Wendy's page to a portrait they had done of her. This feels like a strange form of self promoting to me, and though it is a nice portrait, I feel like there are some better photographs that could be used for her page. However, I am not very familiar with Wikipedia and image uses and rights. Does anyone know how I should figure out a picture that's useable? Are there limitations? Thanks! Ricecookerhours (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I agree that it is non-standard to have a painting in the infobox, although Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart does because there were obviously no photos back then. The problem is that an image would have to be free to use, and the selection on Commons isn't great, and the portrait of the nun Wendy Beckett appears to be the only one.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ... and, sadly, although a Google image search has many pictures of Beckett, none of these have Creative Commons licences. This is often the case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article had no image before the portrait.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As she is now deceased, we could upload a "real" image under our WP:NFCI provision #10. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you all for your input! Ricecookerhours (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How to get English as one on the list of 8 others for a page[edit]

    Here is a link to a page in German,

    de:Cinema Strange

    for which there are 7 other languages for this article--but English is not one of them. I wish to add it to the list, or migrate the content to the English version of Wiki.

    Thanks in advance! UruMajik (talk) 21:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The subject page Cinema Strange was protected (i.e. prohibited from being created) since 2008, as the previous versions failed to establish the notability of the band. What you can try for now is starting a draft about the subject, and translating useful contents from the wiki of the other languages. When you feel that there're enough contents to justify a whole article, submit the draft for review, and make a request at WP:RFUP. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Información errónea contributiva[edit]

    hola, estoy tratando de hacer una corrección importante en un artículo y lo rechazan. Wikipedia es un portal de información importante donde no debería haber información errónea, menos apareciendo en todas las páginas de diferente forma. Aunque no tenga que ver con la academia ni la formación, siempre se debe mencionar la verdad y la historia como es, y Monroe e Isabel no tuvieron 3 hijos, tuvieron 2, Elizabeth fue hija de su primer matrimonio con Hilda Melin, quien falleció. Gracias a otras páginas donde realmente aparece la información real, pude investigar algo. Aunque sea un detalle pequeño, es importante y no se debe cambiar. 37.134.11.101 (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You seem to want a change to be made to some article. That article will have a talk page. At the foot of the talk page, propose the change. Provide a reliable source for the change. (Writing in English would be appreciated, but not required.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    List of fictional books[edit]

    I was looking to see if there were a page called "List of fictional books," and got this message: "There is a page named "List of fictional books in the works of Susanna Clarke" on Wikipedia." The link was to Clarke's page. The word "fictional" does not seem to be on the page. What gives? Kdammers (talk) 22:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Back in 2013, there had been such a list: this. But Trivialist turned it into a redirect. -- Hoary (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You might instead find Category:Fictional books helpful. Shantavira|feed me 09:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kdammers: I guess you used Special:Search. If I type List of fictional books then the redirect List of fictional books in the works of Susanna Clarke is suggested but clicking it doesn't go to the page but shows search results starting with your quote. This is normal behaviour for Special:Search. The standard search box on all pages would have gone to the page. I use User:BrandonXLF/GreenRedirects so redirects are easy to spot. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Image problem[edit]

    Earlier I uploaded File:Logo of the Beaufort Delta Divisional Education Council.png whic I got from here and it's being used at Beaufort Delta Divisional Education Council. However, the wording is not visible. Any way to make that readable? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 23:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I think what I'm seeing is that part of the image is semi-transparent and needs to be layered over a background? My c heap guess on how to get it to render properly would be to screengrab it and upload that. There's probably a smarter way to do it but I feel like that would work. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    At their homepage, the image has color-filled text and a white background. How about grabbing that actual file? DMacks (talk) 03:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @CambridgeBayWeather: We have no good way to display images with white text on transparent background. You said here and on the file page that you uploaded https://beaufortdeltadec.ca/themes/custom/bddec/logo.png but that's the colored text version for me. Just upload that for real. The file you actually uploaded looks like https://beaufortdeltadec.ca/themes/custom/bddec/images/footer-logo.png. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    May 18[edit]

    Image use policy[edit]

    Hi, yesterday I had this conversation on my talk page about an image insertion I reverted on the frequently vandalised article, Mewing (orthotropics). Essentially, the editor had uploaded an image of a minor onto Commons and then placed that image in an article on English Wikipedia. I reverted that insertion, partly because I thought it was vandalism (given the edit history of that page), and mostly because I was concerned about the image. I asked the editor if they had the consent to post such an image of a minor. They said they knew the minor depicted in the image, but did not gain consent from the minor's guardians yet. I advised them to delete the image until consent via a model release was obtained.

    Today, another user probably did something very similar and we had (or are still having) a conversation about it on the article's talk page, which can be viewed here.

    I was surprised WP:IUP (and WP:CHILDPROTECT) had no definitive and explicit language about consent and images that deal with minors in this type of scenario. I did try to quickly look through those policies' talk pages and the talk pages of here, WP:Teahouse, and WP:VP to find other similar cases. I was going to post this on WP:VPP requesting an update to the policy language in the image use policy, but before I do, I want to make ensure I am not overlooking some other EN Wikipedia/Commons policy or past discussion where this is addressed?

    I do see on WP:YOUNG (which is just an essay), "Never upload or post photos of yourself, your friends, or your family."

    Do you think my actions were logical in this scenario? Did it follow policy? If so, which policies? What would you have done here? Thank you in advance, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    P.S. Disclosure: I did post this yesterday at Teahouse, but my questions have gone unanswered and now with the second occurrence of this situation, I would really like to find some clarity. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If there's PII in the metadata might be worth chucking it at WP:OS or c:COM:OS, Classicwiki. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Not sure if an Oversighter might be able to clarify the exact bounds of what they'd usually supress. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Classicwiki: The images have been deleted from Commons. Can you clarify what more you are asking for? Also, please be patient, it can sometimes take time for a question to get a reply. RudolfRed (talk) 18:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Classicwiki I saw your post at the Teahouse but didn't reply then as I couldn't point you to a relevant policy. I did look at the images in question and thought that you were over-reacting. Commons hosts thousands of pictures categorised as children, many of them much younger than the ones you objected to. Many, no doubt, were uploaded by their parents, who consented to their use on Wikipedia and elsewhere by licensing them. Model release is, I believe, only relevant for commercial use of an image, so irrelevant for use within a Wikipedia article. That said, it would be useful to establish best practice in this area. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dabney Coleman[edit]

    Someone added a random A after 1960. Can it be removed?

    Coleman was a character actor with roles in well over 60 films and television programs to his credit. He trained with Sanford Meisner at the Neighborhood Playhouse School of the Theatre in New York City from 1958 to 1960.a

    Thank you. 2601:18C:9083:A9D0:31FA:CB5E:D902:8412 (talk) 10:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Done, thank you for spotting this. TSventon (talk) 11:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How to disclose a COI and what is allowed.[edit]

    I am a former intern for the organization Fairvote. Am I allowed to edit 1. Articles about voting systems in general and 2. Articles about Fairvote itself; and what is the proper disclosure. A Tree In A Box (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi @A Tree In A Box. You can definitely edit articles about voting systems in general: it is normal for editors to edit in topic areas that they have experience or interests in.
    You probably should not edit the Fairvote article yourself. Although you are no longer an intern you will still have a CoI. It would be best to disclosure this on your User Page by following the instructions at WP:COI. Then if you wanted to make any edits, do it via the WP:EDITREQUEST system.
    Hope that helps. Qcne (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    "Billionaire" in lede sentence[edit]

    Should the world "billionaire" be used in the lead sentence for BLPs, say for example "Harry Triguboff is a Chinese-born Australian billionaire real estate developer" or should it generally be omitted? Articles of notable billionaires (e.g. Bill Gates) generally don't include such but many others do, such as the example above. Zinderboff(talk) 16:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If there are reliable and independent sources referring the subject as a billionaire, then it's justifiable to include the term in the lede. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 20:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In the lead is normal to reference wealth, especially if there is reliable, independent sources referring to them as such. However I was wondering whether it should be mentioned in the first sentence, since many extremely famous wealthy individuals don't have "billionaire" as part of its title, even though it is certain that many sources refer to them as such. Zinderboff(talk) 05:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zinderboff The manual of style has some guidance here which I would interpret as saying that you only need to mention the wealth in the first sentence if that is the principal reason the person is notable. In many cases (Gates included) the person is notable for their accomplishments and their wealth is incidental. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Noted, thank you! Zinderboff(talk) 13:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Athlete from my school won a state title[edit]

    What is the best way to record in on the local HS page. DMc75771 (talk) 16:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm not sure I would unless the student themselves merits a Wikipedia article, and that depends on the coverage they receive in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 17:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    change title of page[edit]

    Our church has changed it's name and the title needs to be corrected from St Mark's Episcopal Church to St. Martin de Porres Episcopal Church StMartinAlex (talk) 16:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Please request a page move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 17:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @User:StMartinAlex Be sure to say which St. Mark's Episcopal Church. A quick look turned up articles on 37 different St. Mark's Episcopal Churches. Uporządnicki (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @User:StMartinAlex And are you sure you didn't mean to write St. Martin's Episcopal Church, rather than St. Mark's? That might be the church wanting to make it clear which St. Martin--de Porres, or of Tours. I did third grade in a classroom in a Catholic Church building, in which the classrooms had saints' names rather than room numbers. I was in Blessed Martin de Porres classroom. And during the school year, Blessed Martin was canonized, thus becoming Saint Martin. Sister made a lesson out of that, and taped a sheet of paper saying "Saint" over the "Blessed" on the door, until the door could be repainted. Uporządnicki (talk) 17:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    thank you for your help - St. Mark's Episcopal Church (Alexandria, Virginia) is the title of the page (I had updated the body a couple of months ago). Our new name is St. Martin de Porres Episcopal Church (Alexandria, Virginia). StMartinAlex (talk) 17:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @StMartinAlex: I have moved St. Mark's Episcopal Church (Alexandria, Virginia) to St. Martin de Porres Episcopal Church. We only add data like "(Alexandria, Virginia)" to titles when it's necessary to distinguish from other Wikipedia articles like all the St. Mark's Episcopal Church. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    thank you! StMartinAlex (talk) 20:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    What is the WP:ARBECR policy for talk page discussions?[edit]

    If a page is restricted to extended-confirmed editors, you can still make constructive edit requests on the talk page. Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Extended confirmed restriction My question is: if a discussion ensues on the talk page after you post your initial edit request, can you constructively participate in this ensuing discussion on that talk page if you are not an extended-confirmed user?

    I've made edit requests on talk pages, discussion ensued, then when I tried to participate, my edits were removed, with the citation to WP:ARBECR. But the policy itself is unclear. The policy says "Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive." Is it saying they may use "the Talk: namespace only," as opposed to the main article? Is it saying they may use the Talk: namespace "only to make edit requests," as opposed to other types of posts (or participating in ensuing discussions)? Or is it saying that the edit requests must be only related to articles within the topic area, and not to other articles or topics? Y2K-96 (talk) 17:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I would assume that the use of the word only was deliberate. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but what is the word "only" applying to? That was my question. Does it mean only the talk page? Only edit requests? Or only related to articles in the topic area? The previous sentence is "The restriction applies to all edits and pages related to the topic area, broadly construed, with the following exceptions," so I would lean to interpreting it as saying all pages, except the talk page only, with only referring to only the talk page. Also, are discussions about an edit request considered part of the edit request? Is there any specific precedent we can look at that makes the policy more clear? Y2K-96 (talk) 17:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If it requires further discussion then it will be discussed by extended-confirmed editors. Further input by non-ec editors is not allowed. The stipulation of the talk namespace only is to make it clear that you cannot take part in project discussions in the Wikipedia namespace or other discussions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Y2K-96, the "Edit requests only" language was adopted following a discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment/Archive 125 § Clarification request: Extended confirmed restriction. Hopefully that clarifies the intent for you. Folly Mox (talk) 21:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, this was exactly what I was looking for! Yet somehow it adds more layers of confusion. It is now clear to me that the "only" is referring to "only edit requests," but it is still unclear to me if a discussion about the very edit request you made is included in the edit request. In the original motion, permissible edit requests were contrasted with "internal project discussions" that "include, but are not limited to, AfDs, WikiProjects, RfCs, RMs, and noticeboard discussions (which non-ec users cannot participate in)." Participating in the discussion of your own non-formalized edit request seems very different than these other "internal" examples. Also, the "Tamzin" proposal which was adopted was characterized as a policy to "limit the exception to nondisruptive edit requests and provide enforcement discretion for other nondisruptive talk page posts." There was a lot of talk about leaving room to allow good faith editors to make innocuous contributions, and to target the policy against sock accounts derailing discussion. My contributions that were removed were clearly nondisruptive and arguably a part of the edit request, so it seems like they shouldn't have been removed. Anyways, I will refrain for now on anything except the initial request until there is more consensus on what the policy actually is. Y2K-96 (talk) 06:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Why is the mobile page not currently the one offered when searching for an article on google?[edit]

    Basically, when searching for pages in a browser, or for Wikipedia itself, the desktop page is the one being shown on mobile safari currently, and I must manually edit the link to give myself the mobile site. Is this something more as a result of a Wikipedia issue, or a Google one? Class444SWRail (talk) 19:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Did you scroll to the bottom and click "mobile view"? 331dot (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Class444SWRail: Wikipedia should normally remember your choice of "Mobile view" or "Desktop" at the bottom of pages. That's the official way to switch between mobile and desktop, not by editing the url. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Some mobile browsers (Firefox on Android for sure) will ignore taps on links at the very bottom of the view window, presumably to avoid following links from mistaps where users intended to select the address bar. I haven't been able to switch between mobile and desktop view using the link at the bottom of a page since like 2022, and always have to edit the url. Folly Mox (talk) 21:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Folly Mox: I haven't heard of that before. If it's a common problem then it should be reported somewhere if it isn't already. The switch works for me in mobile Safari like Class444SWRail has. Maybe you can use User:PrimeHunter/Mobile view.js to switch from desktop to mobile. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I should clarify that I am able to switch to mobile view in Firefox 126.0, since elements containing the WMF and Mediawiki logos are forced to the bottom of the page, but I'm unable to switch to desktop view because the Terms of Use, Privacy policy, and Desktop view links are all the way at the bottom. I never considered this might be a bug and not just a browser thing, but it's extremely consistent. Folly Mox (talk) 22:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As someone who uses mobile view constantly, check that your browser doesn't have a "Desktop Site" option. On Chrome it's on the settings (kebab menu). It is not Google (or whatever site you are using) that is forcing a different version. Your phone is smart enough to go to the mobile version unless it's been told not to. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm. I've never had this particular issue (also Firefox Android) but I did sometimes have footnotes hidden by the address bar in mobile view. I'm assuming it may be a bug, but with Firefox, since the option with the browser UI at the bottom of the screen is probably comparatively less tested and has fewer users to report bugs. Just my speculation though. Alpha3031 (t • c) 04:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have tried this, it does not move me to the mobile site if I switch between the two Class444SWRail (talk) 08:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It has not been for about a week on my version of Safari, and will refuse to leave the desktop site unless I directly modify the url Class444SWRail (talk) 08:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have selected mobile view, but I am remaining on the desktop site regardless Class444SWRail (talk) 08:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Class444SWRail: Are you saying that you see a "Mobile view" link at the bottom of pages but you don't even view the current page in mobile if you tap the link? What if you tap this link: Mobile view. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Defunct WikiProjects[edit]

    WikiProject Tamil civilization is currently believed to be inactive. The thing is, shouldn’t it be defunct? Most departments have been deleted including all categories. There’s basically nothing about the project that is substantial and there is already WikiProject Tamil Nadu which is active and WikiProject Tamil Eelam is defunct. Do I have permission to make Tamil civilization defunct as well? 48JCL (talk • contribs) 21:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    48JCL I suggest asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council. There may be a process that you should follow. TSventon (talk) 10:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    May 19[edit]

    Cast order when no actors in credits[edit]

    Kalloori Vaasal (1996) article puts Ajith Kumar's name first but the film is remembered for Prashanth's performance (as shown by a source in the production section [2] ) as a rowdy college student although both have similar screen time. The article probably puts his name second due to the fact that he is not popular anymore while Ajith Kumar still is. Protocol? At the time of release, Prashanth had more hits (at least three) as lead while Ajith Kumar only was noticed in 1995 a year before. This [3] puts Prashanth's name first. DareshMohan (talk) 00:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I believe the default convention is to list the cast alphabetically, in whice case Ajith Kumar's name would be first. What the film is remembered for (by whom?) and who is the more popular are irrelevant. Shantavira|feed me 08:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @DareshMohan, @Shantavira: For the infobox, the documentation for the starring parameter of {{Infobox film}} states in general, use the billing block of the poster for the film's original theatrical release as a rule of thumb for listing starring actors. If unavailable, use the top-billed actors from the screen credits. This sometimes leads to an unexpected order, such as on Gandhi (film). Bazza 7 (talk) 09:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Richard Dawson (1855–1923)[edit]

    I have accidently added a file (photo) and it is TOO large. Please fix and add the caption underneath "Dawson attended Hertford College, Oxford".

    Thank you and my apologies 101.182.31.143 (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I see no image there. It is not until the fifth sentence of that brief article that the reader learns that Dawson was a Member of Parliament, which is his valid claim of notability. That's bizarre and disconcerting. Cullen328 (talk) 09:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Copyright tag[edit]

    I want to upload a still image from the 1949 motion picture Eureka Stockade. What would be the correct one to use? Robbiegibbons (talk) 02:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi Robbiegibbons In principle, you should assume the image is protected by copyright and then work from there. Given the date of the film, everything depends on whether the still is still (no pun intended) under copyright protection. Did you find the image somewhere online? If you did, then please provide a link to it. Since this is a British film, c:COM:United Kingdom is relevant. In the US, for example, stills for films from that time period were quite commonly provided by movie studios to movie theaters for publicity purposes and many of these stills were either released without a valid copyright notice or had a notice but the copright wasn't subsequently renewed as required under US copyright law at the time, which means they either never were or no longer are eligible for copyright protection (ie. they're considered to be within the public domain). So, it's quite possible the still itself is within the public domain even if the film it comes from under copyright protection. However, in order to assess this, the image needs to be seen because the required copyright notice often appeared either in the border or on the back of such images, and such things are often cropped out when the stills end up being used online. Many people selling such stills on sites like ebay do, on the other hand, often provide full uncropped version (front and back) of these photos as a way to allow other to verify their authenticity. So, if there's something similar allowed under British copyright law, then it's possible the stills are within the public domain. Otherwise, if there's no way to verify the copyright status of the image, it will likely need to be treated as non-free content, which makes things much more complicated because non-free images are much more harder to use in that they need to satisfy Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    TK give me[edit]

    Kutupalong 103.242.23.191 (talk) 04:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? There is a search box at the top of every page that may help you. We have an article about Kutupalong. Shantavira|feed me 08:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Richard Dawson (1855–1923)[edit]

    I have accidently added a file (photo) and it is TOO large. Please fix and add the caption underneath "Dawson attended Hertford College, Oxford".

    Thank you and my apologies Srbernadette (talk) 07:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I have removed it, it was an irrelevant photograph. Theroadislong (talk) 07:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    "and" in artists' collaborations[edit]

    In the Eurovision Song Contest 2024, Ukraine was represented by Alyona Alyona & Jerry Heil (ignoring stylized lowercase), Estonia by 5miinust x Puuluup. In the article, we write both Alyona Alyona and Jerry Heil, and 5miinust and Puuluup. Are there conventions to unify it in this way, instead of using their original glyphs? --KnightMove (talk) 09:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @KnightMove: As "&" is being used to simply mean "and", but does not seem to be part of a band name, then MOS:AMPERSAND applies. The same applies to the bizarre use of "x", which might also be covered by the beginning of WP:BANDNAME; MOS:TMRULES covers similar styling of trademarks and the like. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Is there a wikiword...[edit]

    For being driven straight up a tree by references that are *not* in numerical order, (for example, if a sentence is followed by [8][3][2])Naraht (talk) 13:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello @Naraht, I find your question vague.
    Please reply with a clearer explanation, as some may not understand the question, and wait for someone who can answer this question to help. Thanks! Garethphua (talk) 13:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Naraht WP:CITEORDER specifically says you shouldn't edit war over such trivia, so I guess the correct word might be WP:WikiKing, or take your choice from other WP:WikiFauna. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (ec) This question actually makes a lot of sense to me (maybe the unclear part is the "drive up a tree" idiom). I don't know a name for this situation, but WP:CITEORDER mentions it. Even if they start out in order, edits to other sections can cause them to wind up differently ordered if re-using named references defined in those other sections. DMacks (talk) 13:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Naraht: The purpose of your post is unclear but maybe you wonder why it happens. References are normally numbered in order of first use on the page,[1] not in order of the definition if they are named and reused.[2][1] It would be possible to swap references which are at the same content until their numbers are in numerical order at that place but we don't do that. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We actually had a rather large conversation somewhere (that I started, can't remember if it became an RfC or not), but it became pretty clear that we should not be putting references into numerical order. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ a b This reference is defined second but used first and later used again at the definition.
    2. ^ This reference is defined first but not used first.

    STARTING A NEW ENTRY[edit]

    I have translated an entry into English on Word. I now want to transfer the text to English Wikipedia. Are there templates, or one tempate, that provides the skeleton for the correct way to present a Wikepedia article? Resignation793 (talk) 13:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't write articles myself, so others will have better advice, but one tip I can give you is to first copy the text into a non-formatted program like Notepad. This will strip out the 'invisible' Word formatting codes which, if copied into Wikipedia, can cause unforseen problems and complications. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.173 (talk) 14:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no such universal template. MOS:STRUCTURE lists the main sections and links to describe each. For the body itself, different subjects have different typical article structures. If you tell us more specifically what your article is, maybe someone will recognize a similar existing article as a model you can use. DMacks (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is some rather brief guidance at Help:Translation. The most important thing to do is check that the subject meets English Wikipedia's notability guidelines as if the subject is not suitable for an article, the article is likely to be deleted, however well written. TSventon (talk) 14:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    correct numbers in Israel Hamas War[edit]

    Currently the article on the Israel Hamas war continues to quote Hamas funded sources. The United Nations recently released their estimations on the civilian casualties of the war, these numbers being half of what the Gazan Health Ministry claims. Could these numbers also be included in the article in order to show the multitude of differing sources that disprove the GHM and its Hamas backers? 71.244.253.88 (talk) 14:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Editing about anything related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including the war with Hamas, is restricted- IP users are limited to proposing specific changes as edit requests on article talk pages. Anything else requires an account with at least 500 edits that is at least 30 days old. If you have a specific edit to propose, please make an edit request(click the link for instructions). 331dot (talk) 15:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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