Talk:Patrick Mahomes

bloated!

Including every stat for all 16 games seems to make it bloated and not an easy read. Someone should put all his records in one category for an easy read

Early Life

Mahomes was born on September 17, 1995, in Tyler, Texas, to Pat Mahomes, then an MLB pitcher, and Randi Mahomes. It needs to say Mahomes was born on September 17, 1995, in Tyler, Texas, to Pat Mahomes, then an MLB pitcher, and Randi Martin.

Super Bowl stat table

@Rockchalk717 @Yankees10 Yo. Since Mahomes is set to make his fourth Super Bowl start, I wanted to revisit the idea of readding the Super Bowl stat table for his page. I added the table following his third appearance last year but it was reverted due to a lack of consensus (see revision history of March 22, 2023). HappyBoi3892 (talk) 01:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings about it. Four is a lot and I love that he's starting in #4 as a Chiefs fan. Number 4 could justify one but I still go back to the fact that Tom Brady has one because he played in what is an entire career's worth of playoff games for some quarterbacks in just the Super Bowl. I'll put it this way, if one other person says they like the idea, I'll say yes to it, but for now it's a no for me.--Rockchalk717 04:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I think the table should be added. I believe that four appearances is a solid enough sample size and since Mahomes has played differently in Super Bowls than other playoff games, I think it would be helpful to include. Ben Roethlisberger previously had a table with 3 appearances. For all of this I believe all quarterbacks with 3-4+ Super Bowl starts should get a table. Was actually logging on to create a table lmao. GoGreen2024 (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

My initial thinking is that the per game logs are at stat EL links. What is the objective criteria for inclusion? Is there a cutoff? —Bagumba (talk) 15:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Observation based on List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks#Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts:

• Tom Brady – 10 starts – Has a table
• John Elway – 5 starts – Has a table
• Terry Bradshaw – 4 starts – Has a table
• Jim Kelly – 4 starts – No table
• Peyton Manning – 4 starts – Has a table
• Joe Montana – 4 starts – No table
• Roger Staubach – 4 starts – Has a table
• Patrick Mahomes – going on 4th start – No table
• Troy Aikman – 3 starts – No table
• Bob Griese – 3 starts – Has a table
• Ben Roethlisberger – 3 starts – No table
• Fran Tarkenton – 3 starts – No table
• Kurt Warner – 3 starts – No table
• 8 players – 2 starts – No table

So...

• 4+ starts – 5 of 7 players (5 of 8 if you count Patrick)
• 3+ starts – 6 of 13 players
• 2+ starts – 6 of 21 players

I'm for consistency and setting a threshold if we want to do this, I don't really have a side. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

And what about non-QBs? —Bagumba (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, if we look at this query on StatMuse...

• Stephen Gostkowski – 6 games played – No SB table (kicker)
• Mike Lodish – 6 games played – No stat tables at all (defensive tackle)
• Cornelius Bennett – 5 games played – No playoff or SB table (linebacker)
• Tedy Bruschi – 5 games played – No playoff or SB table (linebacker)
• Patrick Chung – 5 games played – No SB table (safety)
• Larry Cole – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (defensive lineman)
• Marv Fleming – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (tight end)
• Rob Gronkowski – 5 games played – No SB table (tight end)
• Cliff Harris – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (safety)
• Charles Haley – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (linebacker / defensive end)
• D.D. Lewis – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (linebacker)
• Matt Light – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (offensive tackle)
• Devin McCourty – 5 games played – No playoff or SB table (safety)
• Glenn Parker – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (offensive lineman)
• Preston Pearson – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (running back)
• Bill Romanowski – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (linebacker)
• Matthew Slater – 5 games played – No stat tables at all ("wide receiver" / special teams, really just special teams)
• Charlie Waters – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (safety)
• Rayfield Wright – 5 games played – No stat tables at all (offensive tackle)
• Adam Vinatieri – 5 games played – No SB table (kicker)

@Bagumba: Just a quick look at each page, so I may have missed one or two. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd lean toward standard regular season and general playoff stats for all players, and leave the specific game logs to stats sites. I'm neutral on Brady being an outlier. I don't believe the other major U.S. sports projects have finals-specific stats for players in their pro leagues. —Bagumba (talk) 16:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@HappyBoi3892: Sorry totally forgot this conversation was taking place. Bagumba makes a solid point. I've removed a few of them myself over the years. Consistency is a key thing. For me, I prefer either the total elimination of it, or leaving it to quarterbacks who start like 6 or more. It doesn't make much sense to include it for non-quarterbacks as their greatness isn't as frequently measured by Super Bowls, Troy Aikman is the best example of this with mediocre regular season stats but is in the Hall of Fame because he won 3 Super Bowls.--Rockchalk717 22:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

"I prefer either the total elimination of it, or leaving it to quarterbacks who start like 6 or more" Ironically Brady is the only QB with 6+ starts lol. I do agree with the idea of having Brady as the only one with the table (and maybe Elway since he has 5) but I think Mahomes is a unique case because he's an active player. Although basing this on potential future success probably isn't the way to do this, he's likely to have more Super Bowls appearances under his belt before he retires. HappyBoi3892 (talk) 01:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@Rockchalk717 Forgot to ping. Mb HappyBoi3892 (talk) 06:13, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes and that was intentional. Once again, Tom Brady has played in more Super Bowls than some quarterbacks have played in the playoff games period (Joe Theismann, Fran Tarkenton, Mark Rypien, Rich Gannon, Matt Stafford, Boomer Esiason, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins, and Cam Newton to name a few).--Rockchalk717 23:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Sack Stats for Patrick Mahomes

All other QBs on Wiki show the number of sacks and yards but Patrick Mahomes does not. Has he never been sacked? 73.176.157.243 (talk) 14:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024

add a reference Zlukeeramo (talk) 00:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Where do you want it added? Liu1126 (talk) 00:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024 (2)

add a reference Zlukeeramo (talk) 00:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

As above, where? Liu1126 (talk) 00:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)